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horse

Colonel
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Well said.

So many posters on the one hand scoff at NATO's wunderwaffes, yet at the same time seem to believe China can offer weapons that can achieve equally miraculous results.

No, the most effective and pragmatic way China can support Russia is by supporting its economy. This is a long grind and it's going to come down to which side has the stronger economy.

In my armchair quarterback/general opinion, this war would be over in two months if Russia got this from China in large quantities.

Posted by bomberman from somewhere else.


 

Abominable

Major
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CNN = Pentagon mouthpiece is going full out with this story. Don Lemon already had a segment on this and now this other lady who's married to a current serving military officer in the U.S. military is yet again doing another rounds of claiming China and Taiwan are separate entities ignoring her country's own "One China Policy" where it categorically states that there's only ONE legitimate government and that is located in Beijing etc...It seems that western media is really trying to prep it's people for what's to come next: destination conflict, Taiwan, China.

American propaganda outlet puts a journalist on an American plane, then flies it across the ocean and right up to Chinese territorial airspace. It gets intercepted and told not to go further.

America then uses this to claim tensions are rising and the Chinese are being aggressive?
 

ACuriousPLAFan

Brigadier
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The responses underline exactly why I think China getting involved in a peace deal is a big mistake. The map he posted is going to be the BARE minimum of what Putin is going to want. I can't see Putin giving up the option of denazification and demilitarisation of all of the Ukraine, plus I'm sure he wants Odessa and Kharkov - both of which were pro-Russian and saw massacres in 2014.

On the other hand the Ukrainian side wants Russia to withdraw from ALL Ukrainian territory, including Crimea which Russia has controlled peacefully since 2014, AND for them to pay compensation. Getting Russians to agree to that peacefully is just as likely as getting Ukrainians to agree to Russian terms peacefully.

This isn't like the Bosnian peace deal where the disputes were over which small villages were going to be transferred to which side, these differences here are fundamental. Any attempt to mediate in an honest manner is going to piss off one side significantly, or even both.

Just keep putting out press releases that both sides need to stop fighting and solve their issues and keep blaming the Americans for starting the war.
Please ignore that (3rd) idiot sandwich. Same as Hu Xijin, this Zhao guy does not speak for the Chinese government.

Therefore, his words should be discarded as rubbish.

Sure, the so-called "peace plan" can be very useful - or it can be utterly useless - depending on the present development in Ukraine, and based on which side one is standing on.

On the other hand, I believe we can see this so-called "peace plan" from another angle, i.e. Beijing extending her hand out to the West, Ukraine and Russia, as a signalling that China is willing to play a part in resolving the war in Ukraine, no matter how big or small that would be.

Whether they want to shake China's hand or not - Well, that's another matter entirely. And we have already seen the result - Russia shakes China's hand with a willingness of 70-80%, Ukraine more like 10-20%, while the West is practically 0%, i.e. slapping China's hand away.

Furthermore, remember that Von der Lying of EU outright rejected China's proposal merely based on the fact tha China has chummy relations with Russia. Jens Stolenburger of NATO even went as far as claiming China as unreliable. So what's there for China to talk about with the West on the resolution of conflict in Ukraine?

Perhaps Beijing is already expecting such responses from the West from the very beginning - Just the clauses #2, #3 and #10 are absolutely unacceptable to the West. Why? That's because the West is already planning for this conflict to happen since 2014. Nobody in Washington DC and Brussels would like to see an outsider stepping in and end their good war business with the flick of a switch.

However, in the eyes of the rest of the world, Beijing's actions of proposing this "peace plan" is already seen as a gesture of 伸出橄榄枝 (offering an olive branch), such that at the very least, China is already offering the possibility for all sides involved in the conflict to sit down and talk. The rest of the world will see China as a responsible power, who actually does try to kickstart even tiny bits of efforts that hopefully could lead to the restoring of peace in Ukraine.

On the other hand, since it is glaringly evident that the West would not even consider China's proposals at all, this shows the rest of the world that the West is the true instigator and pusher of war and destruction in Ukraine. In the end, China is not the one suffering from bad optics here - the West is.

In fact, this could very well be a trap set by China - and the West walked right into it. Perhaps this could also be the switch in Beijing that "See? Since the West is unwilling to work for peace in Ukraine, and wants to increase intensity of conflict and duration of war, therefore we shall begin preparations to provide more necessary aid to Russia. As long as NATO is tied to Europe, we would have greater space to breathe and be prepared for the eventual showdown over Taiwan."

To sum it up, this proposal - Combined with the "US Hegemony and Its Perils" article released by MOFA China just several days before the release of the proposal, and the news of Wang Yi's (and future Xi's) visit to Moscow - I think the message couldn't be clearer: Beijing is now dead-set on working to break up with DC and Brussels.
 
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MixedReality

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You have again decided to remind us that there are no bigger Russophobes than the Poles. You see Russian trolls and orcs everywhere. Here in Sweden where I live I know quite a few Poles and I now avoid any contact with them because I think this Russophobia of yours should be described in psychiatric literature. You Poles and Baltics have gone completely mad over this proxy war and are now known in more moderate European countries as Uncle Sam's "useful idiots".

Poland and the Baltics have the most delusional people in Europe, only Indians are more delusional. At least India is a big power, Poland and Baltics are ants.
 

eprash

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Poland and the Baltics have the most delusional people in Europe, only Indians are more delusional. At least India is a big power, Poland and Baltics are ants.
They think they have been accepted and are part of the cool kids club kinda like how Indians think Westerners and Koreans doing reaction videos on their movies genuinely like them and not doing it for the ad money
 

TK3600

Major
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Poland and the Baltics have the most delusional people in Europe, only Indians are more delusional. At least India is a big power, Poland and Baltics are ants.
No, India is unironically much much smarter than them. India is not walking into a war with China and kept trade with Russia. Indian may be too prideful but they do not sell their country to puppet masters. If Europeans are half as smart as Indians this war will not happen.
 

BoraTas

Captain
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Exactly. When Trump was talking about shooting people during the BLM protests, American embassies throughout the world were making pro-BLM posts. Yet every single Chinese official has to have the exact same opinion.

Whoevers posting this is just expressing their opinion, or just plain trolling.
I don't know why people still treat random posters and media personnel as the Chinese govt. It is so funny. I read people talking about something the Chinese govt said. Then I trace the words and it is Chen Weihua, Hu Xijin, a random Twitter poster. Yeah. The Chinese govt is anyone who is Chinese according to Twitter users. Apparently, the CCP is a hive mind.

Note: The SeeSeePee is a hive mind but it is also about to collapse and needs forced labor.
 

Reclaimer

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I don't know why people still treat random posters and media personnel as the Chinese govt. It is so funny. I read people talking about something the Chinese govt said. Then I trace the words and it is Chen Weihua, Hu Xijin, a random Twitter poster. Yeah. The Chinese govt is anyone who is Chinese according to Twitter users. Apparently, the CCP is a hive mind.

Note: The SeeSeePee is a hive mind but it is also about to collapse and needs forced labor.
Because they know the average person doesn't read past the headline, much less go look for the primary source or challenge "anonymous source(s)", it's sad.

Also the media's massive sinophobic propaganda is doing it's job.
 
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