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Abominable

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If anything, I think he's being defeatist. The demilitarized zone should be all of Ukraine west of the Dnieper.
The demilitarised zone should be all of Europe.
In that case, China wouldn’t go with that supposed proposal since China doesn’t recognize Kosovo at all.
Kosovo declared independence unilaterally, that was clearly a violation of international law.

All China (or any country) needs is for the Ukrainian state to agree to whatever terms are acceptable to Russia. It could be as simple as Zelensky signing on the dotted line before he checks out to America/Israel.
 

siegecrossbow

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Right because Russia isn't able to make their own artillery shells.

It's like they don't even care if people believe them anymore.

It’s actually a pretty brilliant propaganda strategy if you have control over the world’s media:

If China provides military aid: see what we said before? US intelligence is impeccable, China threat!

If China doesn’t provide aid: cowardly SeeSeePee doesn’t dare to provide aid now that their dastardly plan has been exposed by us! Let’s go Brandon!

You can’t really lose with this strategy, which is why they used it for a second time this year.
 

coolgod

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Registered Member
No, I don't think that the Erik guy is overreacting. On the other hand, Zhao's proposal is indeed illigitimate.

He's literally proposing in his map that, on top of a demilitarized zone east of the Dneiper, the oblasts of Donetsk, Lughansk, Zaporozhizhhya, Kherson and Crimea should be handed over to Russia.

This means that his proposal fundementally violated China's principle and call for the respect of a country's territorial integrity.

In fact, his suggestion basically goes against that of the wishes and principles of Beijing and Belgrade, i.e. Taiwan belongs to China, and Kosovo belongs to Serbia.

If the Chinese government's stance is just as he claimed, i.e. Ukraine should voluntarily give away parts of Ukraine that are internationally recognized as part of Ukraine to Russia, then what should China respond vis-a-vis Taiwan, South China Sea, Aksai Chin and South Tibet?
You are assuming the world views Taiwan, South China Sea, Aksai Chin and South Tibet as part of China's territory in the first place, this is a very naive view. For example, why can't the world view Aksai Chin and South Tibet as India's territory? Is there some UN document that says those two areas are China's territory and not India's?

If the rest of the world doesn't accept those territories as China's territory in the first place (the whole west and its puppets don't), then when they promote separatist forces in those areas, they don't acknowledge they are violating China's territorial integrity. Likewise, why is Donetsk, Lughansk, Zaporozhizhhya, Kherson and Crimea part of Ukraine's territorial integrity and not Russia's? Is there a UN document that states that? What about when Crimea was unilaterally transferred to Ukraine by Khrushchev, why is that somehow recognized as legitimate?

Territorial integrity like many others is just a nice sounding term, China's main foreign policy is based on UN recognition, not some vague term like territorial integrity.
 

supercat

Major
This was shared here today too. As I said Taiwan needs to be conquered as soon as the PLA completes its modernization. AKA in 5-6 years. Its continued existence as an anti-China breakaway province is causing way too many problems for China. This constant salami slicing can't continue and as far as I see, Taiwan is at the early level of Ukrainization. By Ukrainization I mean the development of a reactionary identity and radicalization around it.

But is the US really confident that it can win a war against China if it gets involved? Maybe not.
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China does not have much credibility and China's peace proposal only benefits Russia? Zelensky does not agree. BTW, that Stoltenberg clown, while spewing baseless accusation against China without qualms, does not dare to make a peep about the culprit behind the NS blow-up.
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supercat

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At this point, it's very obvious who is seeking peace and who is pushing for war.

US joins EU in rejecting Beijing’s peace proposal, sanctions more Chinese firms​

  • US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan says plan should have ended after first point: ‘respecting the sovereignty of all countries’
  • US Secretary of State Antony Blinken tells UN Security Council not to be ‘fooled by calls for a temporary or unconditional ceasefire’
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luminary

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Biden is busy hugging and kissing Zelensky in Kiev, that's why.


Honestly, the US state of Ohio should have renamed itself to the US state of Ukraine, so that Biden would pay attention to them. We already have the US state of Georgia in southeastern US and the country of Georgia in the Caucasus region, so why not.
Healthy residents have been hospitalized with headaches and nausea just by breathing and being exposed to the air in East Palestine. Trump is much braver than Biden. Joe knows if he goes there he'll be leaving in an ambulance, there will be no re-election if he gets sick and dies.
 

MarKoz81

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Saw this Zhao DaShuai guy on Twitter, who is really trying to 为自己国家挖坑 (dig a hole for the one's own country (China) to fall into) with his choice of words.

Chinese proposal for a demilitarized zone would extend to Russian territory as well as on both sides of Ukraine-Belarus border! And no recognition of illegal annexations. This is blatant Russian narrative that goes against international practice of such settlements.

It could as well be a Russian troll account pretending to be Chinese. Don't be misled by his post history or even use of language.

Russians have developed very extensive networks of trolls operating within American social networking platforms. While America and China focused on developing technology Russians focused on infiltrating existing platforms because their own platforms like VKontakte were never going to achieve sufficient reach. They probably don't have much success in China because of language barrier but American social networks were prioritized from the very beginning and are infested with them.

I had the experience of looking at the backstage of commercial social media PR and have seen research done in the field and I have to admit I haven't seen anything as virulently malicious as Russian trolls. For some reason pro-Russian narratives attract the largest share of the most pathological individuals. The Internet Research Agency in Olgino published a report many years ago on how strongly internet trolling correlates with dark triad personality traits - which are psychopathy, narcissism and machiavellianism.

Most people who are very active online tend to have elevated narcissism and this trait causes them to lack the ability to self-reflect or respect other viewpoints. A narcissistic poster is aggressively self-important and attention seeking. It is very easy to recognize that profile once you know what to look for. However a dark triad poster is a very problematic profile because psychopathy - unlike narcissism - allows you to be someone else than yourself. A psychopath is like a personality chameleon. A narcissist is easy to provoke which in turn means it is easy to generate bans. A psychopath is not. If you add the machiavellianism trait you have an absolute nightmare because with the dark triad you have the following malignant traits: aggression and sadistic impulse generated by narcissism, indifference and ruthlessness generated by psychopathy, and preference for indirect and highly manipulative behaviour caused by machiavellianism.

Those are the kinds of people who like to sow lies to cause people to fight each other because they enjoy it. They're the ideal internet trolls because they are never going to put themselves in the spotlight with their actions and will never be the ones to display aggression. They want others to do it while they reap the profits. You put such people online and pay them to do what brings them excitement and they'll do it for next to nothing. That is the main reason why tabloids or online clickbait websites are not good for employment. The people working there constantly back-stab each other driving wages down. These people are more willing to harm others than to benefit themselves by cooperating. In a normal setting that usually benefits them because they rise to the top on the backs of ordinary individuals, but in places like sensationalist media there are no "ordinary individuals" so they drown themselves in their own toxicity. It's a fascinating subject to study, but only for those who are not put off but extreme morbidity.

The reason why Russians put so much focus on those individuals is that the more common narcissist or sociopath needs a lot of oversight from the handlers. They need to be constantly monitored because they are very likely to break the rules imposed on them and cause problems by their behaviour because they are highly impulsive. Dark triad doesn't do this. They're much less impulsive and more concerned about protecting themselves. All you need to do is support them in whatever it is that they want to do, even if it sometimes is damaging to your interest, because they will be a nightmare to deal with. Dark triad is like the biological weapon of information warfare. They do their thing and toxicity spreads uncontrollably.

I don't know what China does but Americans employ mostly narcissistic individuals because it fits with the cult-like culture of the US political system and tey are more likely to fall in line and work hierarchically. Russians employ narcissist as well but I've never seen so many dark triad personalities anywhere else than in pro-Russian networks. Those tend to be extremely individualistic which is also why so many pro-Russian users are extreme right-wingers. And you can see it on SDF as well. Just compare our traditional pro-Russian users with the new ones who came after February 2022. A world of difference in attitude, content and most importantly time spent on posting. Those are the kind of people you should put in a camp. Specifically a camp called "mental facility, closed ward".

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Anyway... so as not to be fixated on one subject - here's a graph I made recently. I call it "why America wants war with China in one picture".

This graph shows USD-denominated nominal GDP between 1970 and 2023.

GDP_01.jpg

I tested other countries as well and the result is the same - every country falls within the same general parameters of natural growth except US and China.

If we account for population growth - 200m in 1970 and 330m in 2020 - then the population-adjusted 1970-79 trendline would fall somewhere in the middle between the 1970-79 and 1980-89 trendlines. The 1980-89 tredline is Plaza/Paris accords. 1990-91 is the trendline caused by Japan and Korea amassing US debt. The 2000-09 trendline (not shown) would largely mirror 2010-20 trendline and China is most responsible.

What this graph means is that the increase in USD-denominated nominal GDP is retroactively caused by increase in USD-denominated debt, mostly as consequence of constant deficit spending in America. This is best shown by another graph.

This is a graph of ratios of GDP PPP (purchasing parity power) to US GDP PPP (blue line y=1). The years are 1970-2023 but PPP data is not available until 1980. The years are counted 1 to 53 - the scale is the same as on the graph above. This graph shows how undervalued (above US trendline) and overvalued (below US trendline) the GDP is in real terms when measured in USD. China's trendline reaches so high between 1980 and 2010 because the real economy was booming but it was undervalued in dollar terms. Only after China begins to amass dollar-denominated debt the numbers shift which is responsible for how the GDP is expressed in the graph above.

This graph is the proof that China's exploding GDP in USD is caused by correction of value in non-convertible Yuan to value in convertible US Dollar. The economy was huge but it was not measured because it lacked dollars used as measuring markers.

GDP_02.jpg

Further evidence - balance of international trade by Eurostat:

Trade_countries.jpg

Trade_balance.jpg

And the federal budget deficit.

Deficit US.jpg

In short these five graphs show that US wants war because it wants to avoid paying back debt.

It's an oversimplification but that's the gist of it. There's no escaping it because of the nature of American socio-economic system. When you look at the indicators of inequality in the US they are growing at an alarming rate.

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World Bank data (might not be accurate): USA - 0,415 China - 0,382 Russia - 0,360 EU - 0,304

OECD before taxes and transfers: USA - 0,517 France - 0,519 Germany - 0,492
OECD after taxes and transfers: USA - 0,375 France - 0,292 Germany - 0,296

It's obvious what is missing in America and that has grave implications:

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According to the US Census Bureau, the US GINI is 0.48 with the highest in New York State (0.51) and the lowest in Utah (0.42) In 2019, the quintiles of the average income in USD are: $14.5k, $39.1k, $66.0k, $103.9k, 238.0k

In 2015 the average income per family was $62.7k, of which 90% had an average income of $35.7k, which together accounted for 51.2% of total annual income. The top 1% earn 20.9% of all income, and the top 10% earn 48.8% of all income. The situation has deteriorated significantly since then and it's particularly bad in "rich" states. If you look up the link Utah has $20k as its mean lowest quintile and NY has $13k. Consider cost of living and you understand why NY is a blue state and Utah is red and why Democrats went crazy with DIE and virtue signalling to deflect actual reform.

So to correct my previous assessments - these five graphs show that US wants war to avoid taxing the oligarchy to pay back the debt it incurred to fund its wealth.

WW1 was an unintended accident. WW2 was an unintended consequence. WW3 is going to be intentional refusal to honor obligations. But apparently Biden in Warsaw (capital of my home country) said that it is about "freedom". He didn't lie. It's about freedom from debt you never intended to pay back.

Btw that's one of the symptomatic behaviours of psychopaths. Borrowing without intention to repay.

If US repaid it it would lose wealth which would affect the poorest but then reform would address that. Oligarchy doesn't want reform. Here's another psychopathic trait - predation on weak.
 
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siegecrossbow

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It could as well be a Russian troll account pretending to be Chinese. Don't be misled by his post history or even use of language.

Russians have developed very extensive networks of trolls operating within American social networking platforms. While America and China focused on developing technology Russians focused on infiltrating existing platforms because their own platforms like VKontakte were never going to achieve sufficient reach. They probably don't have much success in China because of language barrier but American social networks were prioritized from the very beginning and are infested with them.

I had the experience of looking at the backstage of commercial social media PR and have seen research done in the field and I have to admit I haven't seen anything as virulently malicious as Russian trolls. For some reason pro-Russian narratives attract the largest share of the most pathological individuals. The Internet Research Agency in Olgino published a report many years ago on how strongly internet trolling correlates with dark triad personality traits - which are psychopathy, narcissism and machiavellianism. Most people who are very active online tend to have elevated narcissism and this trait causes them to lack the ability to self-reflect or respect other viewpoints. A narcissistic poster is aggressively self-important and attention seeking. It is very easy to recognize that profile once you know what to look for. However a dark triad poster is a very problematic profile because psychopathy - unlike narcissism - allows you to be someone else than yourself. A psychopath is like a personality chameleon. A narcissist is easy to provoke which in turn means it is easy to generate bans. A psychopath is not. If you add the machiavellianism trait you have an absolute nightmare because with the dark triad you have the following malignant traits: aggression and sadistic impulse generated by narcissism, indifference and ruthlessness generated by psychopathy, and preference for indirect and highly manipulative behaviour caused by machiavellianism. Those are the kinds of people who like to sow lies to cause people to fight each other because they enjoy it. They're the ideal internet trolls because they are never going to put themselves in the spotlight with their actions and will never be the ones to display aggression. They want others to do it while they reap the profits. You put such people online and pay them to do what brings them excitement and they'll do it for next to nothing. That is the main reason why tabloids or online clickbait websites are not good for employment. The people working there constantly back-stab each other driving wages down. These people are more willing to harm others than to benefit themselves by cooperating. In a normal setting that usually benefits them because they rise to the top on the backs of ordinary individuals, but in places like sensationalist media there are no "ordinary individuals" so they drown themselves in their own toxicity. It's a fascinating subject to study, but only for those who are not put off but extreme morbidity.

The reason why Russians put so much focus on those individuals is that the more common narcissist or sociopath needs a lot of oversight from the handlers. They need to be constantly monitored because they are very likely to break the rules imposed on them and cause problems by their behaviour because they are highly impulsive. Dark triad doesn't do this. They're much less impulsive and more concerned about protecting themselves. All you need to do is support them in whatever it is that they want to do, even if it sometimes is damaging to your interest, because they will be a nightmare to deal with. Dark triad is like the biological weapon of information warfare. They do their thing and toxicity spreads uncontrollably.

I don't know what China does but Americans employ mostly narcissistic individuals because it fits with the cult-like culture of the US political system and tey are more likely to fall in line and work hierarchically. Russians employ narcissist as well but I've never seen so many dark triad personalities anywhere else than in pro-Russian networks. Those tend to be extremely individualistic which is also why so many pro-Russian users are extreme right-wingers. And you can see it on SDF as well. Just compare our traditional pro-Russian users with the new ones who came after February 2022. A world of difference in attitude, content and most importantly time spent on posting. Those are the kind of people you should put in a camp. Specifically a camp called "mental facility, closed ward".

----

Anyway... so as not to be fixated on one subject - here's a graph I made recently. I call it "why America wants war with China in one picture".

This graph shows USD-denominated nominal GDP between 1970 and 2023.

View attachment 107788

I tested other countries as well and the result is the same - every country falls within the same general parameters of natural growth except US and China.

If we account for population growth - 200m in 1970 and 330m in 2020 - then the population-adjusted 1970-79 trendline would fall somewhere in the middle between the 1970-79 and 1980-89 trendlines. The 1980-89 tredline is Plaza/Paris accords. 1990-91 is the trendline caused by Japan and Korea amassing US debt. The 2000-09 trendline (not shown) would largely mirror 2010-20 trendline and China is most responsible.

What this graph means is that the increase in USD-denominated nominal GDP is retroactively caused by increase in USD-denominated debt, mostly as consequence of constant deficit spending in America. This is best shown by another graph.

This is a graph of ratios of GDP PPP (purchasing parity power) to US GDP PPP (blue line y=1). The years are 1970-2023 but PPP data is not available until 1980. The years are counted 1 to 53 - the scale is the same as on the graph above. This graph shows how undervalued (above US trendline) and overvalued (below US trendline) the GDP is in real terms when measured in USD. China's trendline reaches so high between 1980 and 2010 because the real economy was booming but it was undervalued in dollar terms. Only after China begins to amass dollar-denominated debt the numbers shift which is responsible for how the GDP is expressed in the graph above.

This graph is the proof that China's exploding GDP in USD is caused by correction of value in non-convertible Yuan to value in convertible US Dollar. The economy was huge but it was not measured because it lacked dollars used as measuring markers.

View attachment 107789

Further evidence - balance of international trade by Eurostat:

View attachment 107790

View attachment 107792

And the federal budget deficit.

View attachment 107791

In short these five graphs show that US wants war because it wants to avoid paying back debt.

It's an oversimplification but that's the gist of it. There's no escaping it because of the nature of American socio-economic system. When you look at the indicators of inequality in the US they are growing at an alarming rate.

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World Bank data (might not be accurate): USA - 0,415 China - 0,382 Russia - 0,360 EU - 0,304

OECD before taxes and transfers: USA - 0,517 France - 0,519 Germany - 0,492
OECD after taxes and transfers: USA - 0,375 France - 0,292 Germany - 0,296

It's obvious what is missing in America and that has grave implications:

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According to the US Census Bureau, the US GINI is 0.48 with the highest in New York State (0.51) and the lowest in Utah (0.42) In 2019, the quintiles of the average income in USD are: $14.5k, $39.1k, $66.0k, $103.9k, 238.0k

In 2015 the average income per family was $62.7k, of which 90% had an average income of $35.7k, which together accounted for 51.2% of total annual income. The top 1% earn 20.9% of all income, and the top 10% earn 48.8% of all income. The situation has deteriorated significantly since then and it's particularly bad in "rich" states. If you look up the link Utah has $20k as its mean lowest quintile and NY has $13k. Consider cost of living and you understand why NY is a blue state and Utah is red and why Democrats went crazy with DIE and virtue signalling to deflect actual reform.

So to correct my previous assessments - these five graphs show that US wants war to avoid taxing the oligarchy to pay back the debt it incurred to fund its wealth.

WW1 was an unintended accident. WW2 was an unintended consequence. WW3 is going to be intentional refusal to honor obligations. But apparently Biden in Warsaw (capital of my home country) said that it is about "freedom". He didn't lie. It's about freedom from debt you never intended to pay back.

Btw that's one of the symptomatic behaviours of psychopaths. Borrowing without intention to repay.

But people will pay with their lives.
Nothing is truly free isn’t it? Then again I don’t think the elite truly cares.
Say what you want about Trump but at least he made an effort.
 
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