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Blitzo

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Damn...Poles must really hate Russians to write a diatribe that long.

If you're starting to see official Chinese twitter accounts as Russian bots, maybe it's time for you to visit the funny farm.

Zhao DaShuai on twitter is not an official Chinese twitter account.

He's no more of an official Chinese twitter account than I am.
 

Michaelsinodef

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The story of humanity since the dawn of time. The "elite" is just a name that most successful predators and parasites in society give to themselves to deflect attention from what they really do.

There's really no thing such as "class war". Humanity is not divided into those who sell labour and those who own capital. If that was the case then primitive societies would be fairer and more peaceful than advanced societies and we know for a fact that this is false. The real "class war" rages along behavioural division - between the general pro-social population or (herd) and the elements of the population that have anti-social personalities (predators/parasites). Majority of those anti-social individuals fail but some succeed and become "elite". It's downright Darwinian. That's also why the "elite" promotes social darwinism so strongly - either overtly (unregulated free-market libertarianism) or covertly (DIE pseudo-leftism) because it fundamentally aligns with their personality. This is also why whenever some kind of communist revolution occurred it always ends up reverting to some quasi-oligarchical structure. The people in charge of the revolution are the same as the people in charge of the hierarchy that is being overthrown. They just lie differently about their intentions.



All Trump did was pull the wool over the eyes of gullible rednecks who got big MAGA hats and huge empty promises while the oligarchy received another round of tax cuts and capital injections. Trump is a pathological liar, a cheat and a grifter. He's not even semi-competent like the actual industrialists. He's completely incompetent. He was a walking textbook case of the most blatant NPD I've seen in years in a public figure of prominence.

Sanders was the closest America got to a sensible president but if he won and tried anything he would be dealt with as is American tradition. Suicide by a lone nut. Besides Sanders is not genuine either. If he was genuine he'd build a bottom-up movement on state level rather than wasting time in a rigged DNC primary that uses him to scam voters into thinking that they're allowing debate.

America is too far gone. We're approaching civil war/revolution/authoritarian coup territory like Weimar Germany. The problem is that people don't know what happened in Germany which is why they're sleepwalking into the same trap.

As for Trump's efforts:

The trade war was just another deflection because trade wars can't fix structural failures.

You can't ban imports from China and at the same exacerbate the very thing that causes American manufacturers to shift production to China. The reason why American manufacturing plummeted is that dollar is overvalued artificially due to its role as reserve currency. This means that whoever manufactures dollars (Fed, banks, aligned interests) has the ability to cash in on a premium in value for each dollar. Consequently it becomes inefficient to manufacture goods in America because they will be more expensive due to higher value of the dollar. At the same time it is efficient to manufacture dollars and acquire capital or IP - which is what the investment banks, funds and asset management corporations have done. When you look at ownership structure than all roads lead to NYC while some still lead to London.

In the past America would own physical capital such as factories and workforce on its own territory. Currently America owns titles to the capital and financial instruments based on said capital while the capital is in other countries. It can be done because as long as the capital is located within the sphere of influence of Washington empire the US has the de facto monopoly on the use of force - unless someone is willing to go to war with the US. So those other countries work in economic terms as if they were Washington's colonies. That is tremendously profitable for the financial sector so when a physical goods manufacturer wants to aqcuire capital for physical capital in the US the bank has to make a calculation - lower yield and higher risk for manufacturing or higher yield and lower risk for off-shoring.

No trade war can fix that. What you need is a selective ban on all trade with China so as to force manufacturing to shift to other countries - which btw has been happening already for some time as the cost of labour in China is rising rapidly. But if you do this then you stop all trade that is necessary for the economy to function. So you can't ban trade and have to rely on artificially raising import cost through tariffs so that some of the capital begins to shift but not all at once - leading to an economic collapse.

But that can be used only against countries that are not in a position to resist your economic warfare. Both the EU and China are huge economies that have advantages and positive trade balances vs the US which means that before they hurt the US is already hurting. And when a country is hurting the poorest are hurting first and most. In a country with little or no social protection that leads to societal breakdown and instability.

So the only way out of that situation is to prepare for economic warfare and establish manufacturing ecosystems for those goods which are most vulnerable to trade wars. But those will be operating in highly competitive markets and as such you will run against both the banks and their preferences as well as the existing manufacturers doing all they can to prevent you from establishing a competitor with the intent to wage economic war.

Just look at the chip warfare where US has a clear technological advantage and plenty of physical manufacturing in the US. There's no clear path to victory there and you think it can be done in industries where structural asymmetry has existed for decades?

What you are describing is achievable between US and the EU because of comparable levels of cost. US has an overvalued dollar but EU has higher cost of labor due to social protections but both are comparable. So investment can move back and forth between the two and it regularly does. Between the US and the cheap emerging markets that's like NAFTA and the "great sucking sound" from Mexico. Movement is possible only in one direction. Out.

It can't be done unless the average price level in America is cut by 30% at least and that would kill the working class unless the entire social protection system is overhauled and redistribution brought to that of France. And that's how you get Joe Hitler for President in your country.

Also, to benefit from any shift in productive capacity you need a population that is prepared to adapt to the shift. Have you seen what Americans are studying?

America is the socio-economic equivalent of morbid obesity driven by mental problems. Hypertension, diabetes, depression etc leading to systemic failure. It's either crash & burn or 4th Reich. Or a miracle. I wish I could hope for a miracle but I'm a neo-Darwinian hardliner. God is a delusion and so are miracles.
Well written post.
With that said, if going by what you have written, the people in power in the US wants actual direct war with China?
How are they so sure of victory?
Or do they think even at worst, it would be somewhat of a 'tie' and that would also be acceptable for the US?
 

BlackWindMnt

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Well written post.
With that said, if going by what you have written, the people in power in the US wants actual direct war with China?
How are they so sure of victory?
Or do they think even at worst, it would be somewhat of a 'tie' and that would also be acceptable for the US?
Probably still thinking in a 20th century way that the homeland will always be protected.

So who will be hurt the most by a war with China it will be the US partners kind of like Ukraine and EU right now regarding the Russo-Ukrainian war.

Those partners countries elites are more then willing to send meat into the meat grinder as long as the US continue to add dollar on their dollar bank account and make sure they have a escape route to the US.
 

getready

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China just doesn't want to participate your clown show. Recent statement from Chinese foreign ministers has indicated that China has no patient to entertain Blinken and Biden's lies and breaking promises.
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Pretty sure at this point China has gotten a good grasp of Biden and his neo con gang of blinken, sullivan and nuland.

After trump was voted out, they probably had some genuine hope for Biden to get US China relations back on track but that’s wishful in hindsight. No doubt now US and Chinese relations are at its worst since nixon visited China during sino soviet split.
moreover I have a feeling China is finally giving up hope of European exercising its independence and sovereignty and removing themselves from US rectum. As prof Jin canrong continually asserted, China is the only one who genuinely wishes for Europe to be strong independent entity.

US wants to keep them under her ass, Russia wants a weakened Europe. Alas, it seems Europe is lost cause, they are too cuck, too weak in leadership, and getting deindustrialised and bitch slapped by US as we speak.
 

xypher

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Delulu Japanese are again copying their masters and conducting another round of cope games with them winning, lol:
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In the exercise, Japan designated the conflict as an "existential threat" after learning that China was planning to attack SDF bases being used by the U.S. military.
Maritime Self-Defense Force warships, along with the fleet of F-35 fighters in the Air Self-Defense Force, took part in missile attacks against Chinese forces.
China was eventually overwhelmed by the U.S.-Japan response, with the conflict ceasing in a little over two weeks. China's military supply was cut off, and the final blow came when the coalition took control of airspace over Taiwan.
All told, China lost 156 warships, including two carriers, along with 168 fighter jets and 48 military transport aircraft, according to the scenario. More than 40,000 soldiers were killed or wounded.
The takeaway was that although a Chinese military takeover of Taiwan was thwarted, it came at heavy human and material costs to the self-governed island, the U.S. and Japan.
Taiwan saw 13,000 soldiers dead and wounded in the conflict, including prisoners of war, and lost 18 warships and 200 warplanes. U.S. casualties added up to 10,700 people, with the loss of 19 ships and 400 warplanes.
The JSDF lost 15 vessels and 144 fighter jets, including F-35s and F-2s. Japanese bases were targeted by China, resulting 2,500 casualties among SDF personnel. Civilian casualties ranged from a few hundred people to more than 1,000.
It's so funny that even in their cope scenario the new axis loses 744 warplanes - x3 of China but yet somehow China surrenders for reasons unknown. The ship casualty numbers are even funnier - somehow the axis only loses 52 ships despite operating near Chinese shores. Of course, not a single person who has knowledge on Chinese military participated:
The roughly 30 participants included former Japan Self-Defense Force officers as well as academics and researchers from Japan and the U.S.
And of course they had to handicap China in addition to doing all their cope "analysis":
In the exercise, China tried everything it could to avoid war with the U.S.

If they are faring this badly even in their fantasy scenarios where everything goes well for the axis and everything goes bad for China & the latter is handicapped, then I'm more and more inclined to believe that IRL scenario will result in the US and their dogs getting bitch slapped then resorting to nuclear blackmail to stop the war.
 
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Michaelsinodef

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Probably still thinking in a 20th century way that the homeland will always be protected.

So who will be hurt the most by a war with China it will be the US partners kind of like Ukraine and EU right now regarding the Russo-Ukrainian war.

Those partners countries elites are more then willing to send meat into the meat grinder as long as the US continue to add dollar on their dollar bank account and make sure they have a escape route to the US.
Hm yea, wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Although I see it highly unlikely for that wishful thinking of theirs to happen.
Actual attacks on the US homeland might be low to none, but the upheavel in trade and economics (as well as political and diplomatic side) might be incredibly big, and we might see the US dollar totally being wrecked and pushed away as the reserve currency.
Especially if they seize or freeze chinese holdings of US dollars and the likes (like what has been done to Russia).
 

Breadbox

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I don't know why people still treat random posters and media personnel as the Chinese govt. It is so funny. I read people talking about something the Chinese govt said. Then I trace the words and it is Chen Weihua, Hu Xijin, a random Twitter poster. Yeah. The Chinese govt is anyone who is Chinese according to Twitter users. Apparently, the CCP is a hive mind.

Note: The SeeSeePee is a hive mind but it is also about to collapse and needs forced labor.
Western news unironically reporting on Weibo reaction posts as news, but then again, they report on any old random bullshit just to hype them up, so it's right up their alley.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Please ignore that (3rd) idiot sandwich. Same as Hu Xijin, this Zhao guy does not speak for the Chinese government.

Therefore, his words should be discarded as rubbish.

Sure, the so-called "peace plan" can be very useful - or it can be utterly useless - depending on the present development in Ukraine, and based on which side one is standing on.

On the other hand, I believe we can see this so-called "peace plan" from another angle, i.e. Beijing extending her hand out to the West, Ukraine and Russia, as a signalling that China is willing to play a part in resolving the war in Ukraine, no matter how big or small that would be.

Whether they want to shake China's hand or not - Well, that's another matter entirely. And we have already seen the result - Russia shakes China's hand with a willingness of 70-80%, Ukraine more like 10-20%, while the West is practically 0%, i.e. slapping China's hand away.

Furthermore, remember that Von der Lying of EU outright rejected China's proposal merely based on the fact tha China has chummy relations with Russia. Jens Stolenburger of NATO even went as far as claiming China as unreliable. So what's there for China to talk about with the West on the resolution of conflict in Ukraine?

Perhaps Beijing is already expecting such responses from the West from the very beginning - Just the clauses #2, #3 and #10 are absolutely unacceptable to the West. Why? That's because the West is already planning for this conflict to happen since 2014. Nobody in Washington DC and Brussels would like to see an outsider stepping in and end their good war business with the flick of a switch.

However, in the eyes of the rest of the world, Beijing's actions of proposing this "peace plan" is already seen as a gesture of 伸出橄榄枝 (offering an olive branch), such that at the very least, China is already offering the possibility for all sides involved in the conflict to sit down and talk. The rest of the world will see China as a responsible power, who actually does try to kickstart even tiny bits of efforts that hopefully could lead to the restoring of peace in Ukraine.

On the other hand, since it is glaringly evident that the West would not even consider China's proposals at all, this shows the rest of the world that the West is the true instigator and pusher of war and destruction in Ukraine. In the end, China is not the one suffering from bad optics here - the West is.

In fact, this could very well be a trap set by China - and the West walked right into it. Perhaps this could also be the switch in Beijing that "See? Since the West is unwilling to work for peace in Ukraine, and wants to increase intensity of conflict and duration of war, therefore we shall begin preparations to provide more necessary aid to Russia. As long as NATO is tied to Europe, we would have greater space to breathe and be prepared for the eventual showdown over Taiwan."

To sum it up, this proposal - Combined with the "US Hegemony and Its Perils" article released by MOFA China just several days before the release of the proposal, and the news of Wang Yi's (and future Xi's) visit to Moscow - I think the message couldn't be clearer: Beijing is now dead-set on working to break up with DC and Brussels.
Very well written post.

The part about the eyes of the rest of the world (basically non-western, so the '3rd world'), I think is very important.

We could very well possibly see some of them standing out in the future echoing or stating that they are in agreement with what China's stance.
Which some might have a hard time seeing what use it would have, but I think it would actually have various impacts and importance in the future (such as standing with China in case of US aggression, or with Taiwan situation flaring up).
 
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