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FriedButter

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Woulda been nice to enter this thread without getting shit smeared all over me, but anyway:

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Y'all think it's more Iraqi WMD intelligence or something to it? Sure hope it's the latter, but...

Either the West thinks Russia is low on ammunition (which we know they aren’t) or they are setting up on who to blame when the expected offensive comes.
 

Michaelsinodef

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I think it's better for everyone to step back for now and cool down. This back and forth isn't really going anywhere and people are getting further inflamed.
@Overlord just needs to get a ban, even if only a temporary one.

And then delete some posts

EDIT: Nvm, he has already gotten banned by tphuang lol.

Mods, feel free to delete post.
 

Sardaukar20

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If west really want china then why they are keep sanctioning china companies left and right and even sanctioned entire semiconductor industry. Think for sometime, all western companies are diversifying supply chain away from china or pushing for china +1 strategy.
The Western firms are diversifying away from China. Or doing a China +1 strategy. But they're not abandoning China. Why? Because the Western firms can't let go of China, no matter how badly they wanna decouple.

The Europeans thought that they could survive well without cheap Russian gas. Until they found out that they couldn't. BASF, the biggest chemical company in the world had to move some production out of Germany to stay competitive. BASF chose China as it's first destination. So much for decoupling. So much for preferring India over China.

The West sanctioned Russia like hell. Adidas, Nike, L'occitane, H&M, Apple, etc all halted operations there at first. A few months later, they returned as grey imports or via Russian partner retailers. And that is just the Russian market. Imagine how soon L'occitane would wanna return to China via some underwater deal if France somehow decided to place super sanctions on China. So the fears about Western firms boycotting China is overhyped.

All the Western big businesses are rushing to get into China, no matter the political mood. You might argue: "But what about Google? What about Facebook? Didn't they left China?". No they didn't, they got kicked out of China. They misbehaved, and getting kicked out of China really hurt their butts. Other Western brands behaved and cooperated. Or they issue apologies in Chinese if they hurt the feelings of the Chinese people. That is how important China is to Western firms.

India is different. The Western big businesses can survive without India. Ford, Harley Davidson, GM, Carrefour, Holcim, Lafarge, and other big Western brands have left India. They don't miss India. The Indian market is big, but is far less lucrative for business than the Chinese market, and possibly even the Russian market too.

India in previous cold war was following non-alingment strategy and west understand it, it's the west who need india and other countries in indo Pacific to counter china that's why they created IPEF too. Just wait until taiwan war occurs ,you will see economic shock or even if it doesn't occur still west is prepairing to remove china from West supply chain. China high tech companies and all other companies will get banned soon , wet is just doing it carefully after sanctiong russia .
Yet India's non-alignment didn't make it a preferred partner of either Russia or the West. Two-face game, two-face deal.

The Europeans have run out of strategic depth in it's economy. It has lost access to cheap Russian energy. But then it wants to boycott China? If you think losing cheap Russian energy was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet when you lose China.

So, if a Taiwan conflict happens. The West govts might sanction China, but the Western businesses will only pay lip service.

India cannot come to the rescue. Because the Indian market is just not profitable for the Western businesses.

India is not like china who will listen and support genocidal regime of cambodia polpot and 1970 era of pakistan who was genociding bengali people , all it was done because china was obeying commands of USA their previous master.
The Cold War was a challenging time for China. Yet China have scalped adversaries like the USA, Soviet Union, Vietnam, and India. China have developed such a fearsome reputation during the Cold War, that both Superpowers dared not go for an all-out war with it. China entered the Cold War as a 3rd world country. But emerged at the end of the Cold War as a major power. Was China perfect during the Cold War? No. But it kept improving itself, learning from its mistakes. Today, China has become a Superpower.

India entered the Cold War as a 3rd world country. By the end of the Cold War, India was still a 3rd world country. Yet even today, India remains a 3rd world country, albeit with nuclear weapons. Historically, India can only pick on Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and Bangladesh. Its smaller neighbours. When it tried to pick on someone bigger in 1962, it got spanked. India doesn't have the same fear factor as China. Pakistan have lost wars to India, yet Pakistan doesn't fear India. Operation Swift Retort in 2019 was the proof.

India is getting alot of militry joint venture and tech from russia even now and Russia doesn't want to lose india Market, USA is also eying to sell weapons to india. Both of them are fighting for indian market of defence and that benefits india.
India can continue buying all the weapons it likes from Russia, USA, Europe, South Korea, and Israel. This is what 3rd-rate military powers do. 1st-rate military powers develop and manufacture their own arms. 1st-rate military powers sell arms and training to 3rd-rate military powers. 3rd-rate military powers spend money on the arms trade, while 1st-rate military powers make money out of the the arms trade. A 3rd-rate military power must beg for help to face a 1st-rate military power. But a 1st-rate military power can fight an alliance of 3rd-rate military powers.

So India can keep its 3rd-rate military power status. China, a 1st-rate military power does not envy India's position.

India's aero show is successful and both russia and USA send their aircraft in it ,unlike China's show which has reduced to all one man show.
Aero India got some attention from the media. But its only for a short while, and there were very few things to talk about. Boring. India showcased some overhyped, outdated, and overpriced indigenous military stuff that almost no one is interested to buy. Visitors come to Aero India to sell their wares, but not really to buy stuff. Aero India confirms that India is a 3rd-rate military power.

When China holds the Zhuhai Airshow, the world stands up and watches with keen attention. All major news outlets would run many stories about it. Defense analysts and watchers would discuss and debate about the Zhuhai Airshow for years until the next one comes. Generals and defence ministers from around the world come to a Zhuhai Airshow with a shopping list. Visitors, watchers, and haters are always eagerly anticipating the next Zhuhai Airshow. Every recent Zhuhai Airshow further confirms that China is a 1st rate military power.
 
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FriedButter

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I was all for China to cross the red line until I saw the Huawei logos plastered in so many places. Maybe take it slow first.

I doubt the Russians really need lethal military stuff from China anyway. It’s not like they haven’t been expanding their own arms production for the war effort. What is more likely is that they will buy more non-lethal resources stuff like materials to make weapons and ammunition alongside clothing, helmets, and whatever.
 

taxiya

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"china culture of dog meat"
Just asking, is this country bashing or not ?
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, it is practiced in Europe, USA, Japan and Pacific islands.

Now if someone says "European and American culture of dolphin meat", is this racial bashing or not? ;)

Majority of world population sees dolphin as too intelligent to be hunted for meat just like dogs being in the west, but unfortunately in some part of the world some people sees it otherwise. I personally object both activities, but I see them equally bad. IMO labeling such activities on a people as a whole is equally country/culture bashing.
 
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