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Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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Temstar said:
I wouldn't entirely rule out China selling weapon sub components to Russia.

I'm listening to Guanqi right now about this, apparently there's an unspoken sentence after this:
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"And even if we sell weapons, that's entirely normal trade between two sovereign countries and legal, unless Security Council has a resolution outlawing it".
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Yes, as of now, it is totally legal for China to sell to Russia:

1) Engines, transmissions, and wheels for military vehicles, drones, etc.
2) Rare-earth metals, chips and electronics for munitions, and military hardware.
3) Raw materials, metals, and chemicals for munition-manufacture.
4) DJI drones. It is up to Russia or Kadyrov to jailbreak and modify them to drop Russian grenades.
5) Precision optics for 'commercial and scientific use'. It is up to the end user to put those optics into a drone or tank.
6) Textile, plastics, and other stuff that could be used to manufacture gear for Russian soldiers.
7) Precision-machines that could be used manufacturing armaments.
8) Any other 'civilian stuff' that has dual-use purpose. Even a mug can be used in an office, or on the frontlines.

The US gonna to sanction China anyway for "arms supply to Russia", judging by its ongoing rhetoric and warnings. But doing that would give China carte blanche to sell actual arms to Russia. So the US should be careful for what it wishes for.
 
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alfreddango

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Abominable said:
There's also a chance it could lead to a "stabbed in the back" myth being created in Russia where future generations think (correctly) they could have won the war if it wasn't for a peace treaty imposed by the Chinese. Just because the government agree to something doesn't mean it will be perceived the same way by the public and future governments.
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what if it's putin who wants out and china is merely being the middleman for the russian peace proposal? the gas blackmail strategy has failed, military offensive that can lead to ukrainian capitulation seems impossible, better cut the losses short and get some kind of deal
 
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Biscuits

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Overlord said:
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It's not that speech is from zelensky , Biden is in Kiev and met with zelensky so he is just speaking America's perspective. It will not be easy for china to be an ally with russia, just no limit partnership had even raised concern even in EU . Well things will only go bad for china especially in western world. Expect more sanction on china and diversifying of supply chain away from china.
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Your government is the biggest follower of Russia lmao. You can't even make basic arms without Russian help.

Now you betray your Russian brothers to lick American boots. No loyalty. Sad. Yet your govt is too much of a coward to leave SCO or leave Russia, because theyre scared of joining the losing side, NATO, despite your hopium that China will stop any day now.

Russia looks to China for new capabilities, while India looks to Russia for new capabilities. Imagine having over a billion population yet being less developed than Belarus.
 
Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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Overlord said:
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It's not that speech is from zelensky , Biden is in Kiev and met with zelensky so he is just speaking America's perspective. It will not be easy for china to be an ally with russia, just no limit partnership had even raised concern even in EU . Well things will only go bad for china especially in western world. Expect more sanction on china and diversifying of supply chain away from china.
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No. China will remain Russia's no.1 trusted partner and the relationship will be positive. Because China is consistent, sincere, and trustworthy for Russia. The West will always attempt to move production from China to India. But they'll regret it, and then move them back to China, because of India. It is the West that needs China now, much more than the other way round. Because the West really screwed itself up with the Ukraine War.

It is not hard to be Russia's ally. Just be honest and don't screw with them from behind. That is why India will only be a 'good friend' for Russia, but never a partner. A good customer for Russian stuff, but not trustworthy enough to be a real partner. India wants more love from Russia, but at the same time, joins the QUAD, with Russia's biggest enemies. India wants exclusive Russian arms deals, but at the same time is giving away Russian armament secrets to Russia's biggest enemies like Japan, and the US in their joint exercises. If someone is playing two-face in geopolitics, expect two-face levels of trust from everyone else.
 
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Abominable

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alfreddango said:
what if it's putin who wants out and china is merely being the middleman for the russian peace proposal? the gas blackmail strategy has failed, military offensive that can lead to ukrainian capitulation seems impossible, better cut the losses short and get some kind of deal
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Excellent question!

If Putin wanted out I'd still be against mediating - getting involved in peace talks could easily backfire on China. Putin may blame China for forcing him to agree to terms he didn't like. Russia isn't a small state like the Ukraine and doesn't need anyone fighting for it's corner geopolitically.

If the situation ever got that dire I would just give Putin whatever he needs to turn the tide. He needs to go to negotiations with the upper hand.
 
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Peas

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Temstar said:
I wouldn't entirely rule out China selling weapon sub components to Russia.

I'm listening to Guanqi right now about this, apparently there's an unspoken sentence after this:
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"And even if we sell weapons, that's entirely normal trade between two sovereign countries and legal, unless Security Council has a resolution outlawing it".
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What weapon China can provide to Russia that Russia not have? I am confusing.
 
Temstar

Temstar

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Sardaukar20 said:
Yes, as of now, it is totally legal for China to sell to Russia:

1) Engines, transmissions, and wheels for military vehicles, drones, etc.
2) Rare-earth metals, chips and electronics for munitions, and military hardware.
3) Raw materials, metals, and chemicals for munition-manufacture.
4) DJI drones. It is up to Russia or Kadyrov to jailbreak and modify them to drop Russian grenades.
5) Precision optics for 'commercial and scientific use'. It is up to the end user to put those optics into a drone or tank.
6) Textile, plastics, and other stuff that could be used to manufacture gear for Russian soldiers.
7) Precision-machines that could be used manufacturing armaments.
8) Any other 'civilian stuff' that has dual-use purpose. Even a mug can be used in an office, or on the frontlines.

The US gonna to sanction China anyway for "arms supply to Russia", judging by its ongoing rhetoric and warnings. But doing that would give China carte blanche to sell actual arms to Russia. So the US should be careful for what it wishes for.
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Or you know, civilian Wing Loong II intended for cloud seeding:
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As that line from Lord of War goes, purely for humanitarian use. Of course Russians are known to modify civilian drones for military use from time to time ala DJI and that's very naughty.

Most of that Wagner movie was about they having to take a tall building so they can get a good vantage point to observe Ukrainian mortar team. You don't need to bother with that nonsense if you got MALE drones.
 
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