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A US state asked for evidence to ban TikTok. The FBI offered none
Emails show officials in the state of Connecticut opted not to ban the Chinese-owned app after consulting with the FBI.

When Maryland became the latest US state to ban the use of TikTok on government devices and networks last month, cybersecurity officials in the state of Connecticut turned to the FBI for guidance.

They wanted to know if the FBI had additional information to support a ban in their state amid dire warnings by the law enforcement agency’s leadership and Republican governors that the Chinese-owned app posed serious threats to privacy and national security.


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When Maryland became the latest US state to ban the use of TikTok on government devices and networks last month, cybersecurity officials in the state of Connecticut turned to the FBI for guidance.

They wanted to know if the FBI had additional information to support a ban in their state amid dire warnings by the law enforcement agency’s leadership and Republican governors that the Chinese-owned app posed serious threats to privacy and national security.

“Good morning gentlemen. We’re looking for any recommendations on TikTok after Maryland moved to ‘ban’ its use,” Jeff Brown, the chief information security officer for Connecticut, said in an email to a contact at the FBI on December 7.

“Our logic is captured below, but we’d be interested in your thoughts. Appreciate any feedback,” Brown said in the email, which was also sent to contacts at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and the Department of Homeland Security. Brown included in his message an email chain in which he and Mark Raymond, Connecticut’s chief information officer (CIO), expressed agreement that Maryland’s ban appeared to be a case of “overreach”. Offered a chance to provide additional information in support of a ban, the FBI contact declined.

“I asked one of my analysts to reach out to our HQ,” the FBI agent, who leads a team in Connecticut focused on cybercrime, said in an email to Brown.

“She emailed me towards the end of the day to say that she couldn’t find evidence that we had any additional information to share.”

Maryland and other states that had announced TikTok bans appeared to have “based their decisions on news reports and other open source information about China in general, not specific to Tik Tok,” the FBI agent quoted his analyst as saying.


“Sorry we don’t have more to offer,” the FBI agent said.

The CISA contact, a cybersecurity adviser for Connecticut, told Brown he had “no additional” information and would recommend deferring to the guidance of the FBI.

Al Jazeera obtained the Connecticut state government emails, along with emails from several other state governments, after submitting public records requests with the 50 US states and the District of Columbia.

Raymond, the Connecticut CIO, ultimately determined that the risk of TikTok was “low” based on the fact that, among other criteria, he had received no information suggesting Tiktok had misused data, concerns about the app appeared to have nothing to do with the platform itself, and a ban could “drive additional Chinese cyber activity and interest in Connecticut.”

He recommended that Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont, a Democrat, “take no action at this time” but continue to monitor the situation.

When contacted by Al Jazeera for comment, Raymond said protecting state networks is an “extremely high priority for us”.

“We regularly review security threats against the state and act as warranted,” he said. “We are supportive of national action on topics that may threaten our national security and continue to work with all our partners on the most appropriate recommendations for our state.

The episode in Connecticut, which has not been previously reported, stands in contrast to the dire public warnings FBI Director Christopher Wray has made about TikTok.

Wray has repeatedly warned that China could use TikTok to “manipulate content” to carry out influence operations and steal personal data for espionage purposes.

“All of these things are in the hands of a government that doesn’t share our values, and that has a mission that’s very much at odds with what’s in the best interests of the United States,” Wray told a University of Michigan event last month. “That should concern us.”

In response to a request for comment, the FBI National Press Office directed Al Jazeera to past comments by Wray in which he said the agency is advising the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) amid its discussions with TikTok on ways to address national security fears and expressed concern about the Chinese government forcing companies to hand over sensitive data.

TikTok’s parent company ByteDance, which has its headquarters in Beijing and is incorporated in the Cayman Islands, argues that the FBI’s warnings about the app relate to purely hypothetical concerns and no evidence has been presented of wrongdoing.

ByteDance has long insisted it would never share user data with the Chinese government and says it is working to address hypothetical national security risks as part of a deal it is negotiating with CFIUS.

“As we have said before, these state and university bans are not driven by specific intelligence about TikTok and are driven by misinformation about our company and our service,” TikTok spokeswoman Brooke Oberwetter told Al Jazeera.

“We stand ready to fully brief state and local officials about our comprehensive plan to address national security concerns, plans developed under the oversight of our nation’s top national security agencies.”


They wanted to know if the FBI had additional information to support a ban in their state amid dire warnings by the law enforcement agency’s leadership and Republican governors that the Chinese-owned app posed serious threats to privacy and national security.

“Our logic is captured below, but we’d be interested in your thoughts. Appreciate any feedback,” Brown said in the email, which was also sent to contacts at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and the Department of Homeland Security.

Brown included in his message an email chain in which he and Mark Raymond, Connecticut’s chief information officer (CIO), expressed agreement that Maryland’s ban appeared to be a case of “overreach”.

Offered a chance to provide additional information in support of a ban, the FBI contact declined.


“I asked one of my analysts to reach out to our HQ,” the FBI agent, who leads a team in Connecticut focused on cybercrime, said in an email to Brown.

“She emailed me towards the end of the day to say that she couldn’t find evidence that we had any additional information to share.”

He recommended that Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont, a Democrat, “take no action at this time” but continue to monitor the situation. When contacted by Al Jazeera for comment, Raymond said protecting state networks is an “extremely high priority for us”.

“We regularly review security threats against the state and act as warranted,” he said. “We are supportive of national action on topics that may threaten our national security and continue to work with all our partners on the most appropriate recommendations for our state.

Wray has repeatedly warned that China could use TikTok to “manipulate content” to carry out influence operations and steal personal data for espionage purposes.

“All of these things are in the hands of a government that doesn’t share our values, and that has a mission that’s very much at odds with what’s in the best interests of the United States,” Wray told a University of Michigan event last month. “That should concern us.”

In response to a request for comment, the FBI National Press Office directed Al Jazeera to past comments by Wray in which he said the agency is advising the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) amid its discussions with TikTok on ways to address national security fears and expressed concern about the Chinese government forcing companies to hand over sensitive data.

Even as bans on TikTok gather steam, tech experts — and even some government officials, as in the case of Connecticut — acknowledge there is little technical evidence to justify the level of fear and anxiety the video-streaming platform, one of the world’s most popular apps, has inspired.

Instead, most arguments for restricting the app have rested on broader mistrust of Beijing, including fears the Chinese government could access users’ personal data or manipulate public opinion for nefarious ends.

“We haven’t seen any evidence that TikTok is a greater risk than any other social media platform,” Cliff Lampe, a professor of information at the University of Michigan, told Al Jazeera.


“The sole concern expressed is that its main owner is a Chinese company — even though most TikTok traffic in the US is managed on US servers. The logic is that the Chinese government could importune TikTok for private user data.”

South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem claimed the Chinese Communist Party used the app to “manipulate the American people” and said her state would have no part in the “intelligence gathering operations of nations who hate us”.

Twerking and boob shaking videos are now a matter of national security!
 
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I would argue that absent the Taiwan issue, that China would be far LESS prepared for US confrontation. It wasn't until the 1996 Taiwan Strait Crisis that China decisively pivoted. It's this singular core issue that has been the main impetus behind China's comprehensive military modernization and development. Without Taiwan, China would have focused almost entirely on the mainland. Instead, China has been literally forced into expanding its "security", not just military, envelope in all realms to counter what is obviously a containment strategy. I'm not saying they wouldn't have developed long-range missiles and plans to extend the kill zone to the 2nd island chain or that the Belt & Road and now evolving non-Western financial order would appear. What I'm saying is, it would have been a far lower priority and both the navy, air force, sanctionable technologies, sanctionable resources, etc, would have been no where near where they are today.

Everybody knows that the Anglo-Americans would enforce not just trade sanctions but military blockades of vulnerable resources and technologies. This has had an enormous impact on China's self-sufficiency in food, natural resources, technologies and dramatically accelerated China's evolution in these directions as a result. China is by far the world's largest market. Once they attain anything approaching self-sufficiency, they attain sovereign global pricing power and market power unrivaled by any potential economic bloc, even including a hypothetical economic bloc composed of the entire OECD combined.

So, this isn't just about military strength but also how it has affected China's comprehensive development in every area we can imagine. China's leadership would have never foreseen the current level of Anglo-American dysfunction without it rearing its head in the early days when China was 3 magnitudes weaker. Imagine what the Western alliance could do to China now if it weren't for Taiwan in the 1990s to counter the Chinese liberals who were totally dominant at that time.
At this point China is likely somewhat keeping the issue alive just to give US something to feed towards while China can work on strengthening the whole international system.

I mean, going to 3% gdp spending will not hurt the economy, and I can pretty much guarantee that doubling the PLA's funding will buy a military that is so powerful that even the US militarists will just take a look at it and say any chances of invasion are hopeless. And then China can apply the Israel model when it comes to dealing with ROC at its own pace without fear of any US intervention in the civil war.

I think the most difficult work which China has cut out for it right now is to get the third world into shape. China's stated goals is to reinforce the post ww2 international order into a viable system of equals, rejecting America's attempt to create an US first "new order". There is no real reason to doubt that China is insincere about these goals.

To this end, major regional players such as India, Russia, France, Brazil, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and so on, must be set up as local "poles" that help curtail American influence. Of course, some will be more reluctant and some will more easily embrace their role, but building these "fortresses" against US is China's most arduous and important task.

Russia, which used to host many infantile disorders about "balancing" China against other countries and so on (as one can see in the theories of eurasianism), is now a case of mission accomplished.
 

Overbom

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Russia, which used to host many infantile disorders about "balancing" China against other countries and so on (as one can see in the theories of eurasianism), is now a case of mission accomplished.
Russia balancing against China with Japan, India, Central Asia and specific EU countries will never stop being funny.

Especially after this war, seeing all their sand castles blown like a fart in the wind makes it even funnier. The most unforgivable part for me was that they forced China to accept India into SCO (thus crippling it)

Lets see how their precious India will now take them out of this mess they have gotten themselves into lol
 

ansy1968

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I mean, going to 3% gdp spending will not hurt the economy, and I can pretty much guarantee that doubling the PLA's funding will buy a military that is so powerful that even the US militarists will just take a look at it and say any chances of invasion are hopeless. And then China can apply the Israel model when it comes to dealing with ROC at its own pace without fear of any US intervention in the civil war.
That's why I advocate an Arm race with the US with priority on new weapons and technology rather than legacy tech. 4 CBG is enough, I think within the Pacific region the American can deployed the same number. What we need is to increase our Hypersonic missile advantage and means to counter it. We may do a SDI like strategy that may bankrupt the US.
 

Biscuits

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Russia balancing against China with Japan, India, Central Asia and specific EU countries will never stop being funny.

Especially after this war, seeing all their sand castles blown like a fart in the wind makes it even funnier. The most unforgivable part for me was that they forced China to accept India into SCO (thus crippling it)

Lets see how their precious India will now take them out of this mess they have gotten themselves into lol
Well, you gotta think further than thinking that having India in SCO will fundamentally somehow poison the organization.

India is a subject that China can work on.

Both US and India are glass hearted nationalities. Once there is some level of "adverse reaction" between them, neither side is capable of backing down without "appearing weak" and before you know it, India may become more useful beyond the wildest expectations.
 

Overbom

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Well, you gotta think further than thinking that having India in SCO will fundamentally somehow poison the organization.

India is a subject that China can work on.

Both US and India are glass hearted nationalities. Once there is some level of "adverse reaction" between them, neither side is capable of backing down without "appearing weak" and before you know it, India may become more useful beyond the wildest expectations.
Your premise that India isn't unsalvageable is something I agree with, but I believe that it is a long term project. In the meantime however, SCO is crippled because of this. I would rather India had been engaged with China in another format. Let China work on SCO first, and when it is ready it could start serious work on India.

Now though, SCO is being held hostage by India
 

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Well, you gotta think further than thinking that having India in SCO will fundamentally somehow poison the organization.

India is a subject that China can work on.

Both US and India are glass hearted nationalities. Once there is some level of "adverse reaction" between them, neither side is capable of backing down without "appearing weak" and before you know it, India may become more useful beyond the wildest expectations.
Exactly. No matter how bad China-India relations are, having India in the SCO is better than having them outside it.

It's sort of analogous to Turkey and Greece joining NATO. America wanted Turkey as an ally to use its territory against the USSR, and Greece was a small relatively unimportant country with an undemocratic government. However having Turkey in NATO and not Greece would lead to NATO being perceived as an alliance against Greece.

Whatever problems China and India have should be solved within the framework of the SCO.
 

pmc

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Russia balancing against China with Japan, India, Central Asia and specific EU countries will never stop being funny.

Especially after this war, seeing all their sand castles blown like a fart in the wind makes it even funnier. The most unforgivable part for me was that they forced China to accept India into SCO (thus crippling it)
India is largest source of immigrants to Mideast and Arab countries want to expand trade with it. so better India inside SCO than outside.
Lets see how their precious India will now take them out of this mess they have gotten themselves into lol
India-Russia trade has increased 400%. I would even think without Arabs this is not even possible.
 

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A US state asked for evidence to ban TikTok. The FBI offered none
Emails show officials in the state of Connecticut opted not to ban the Chinese-owned app after consulting with the FBI.

When Maryland became the latest US state to ban the use of TikTok on government devices and networks last month, cybersecurity officials in the state of Connecticut turned to the FBI for guidance.

They wanted to know if the FBI had additional information to support a ban in their state amid dire warnings by the law enforcement agency’s leadership and Republican governors that the Chinese-owned app posed serious threats to privacy and national security.



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If TikTok can (successfully) challenge Trump's executive actions in the judicial system... The courts blocked Trump's ban....Then I am willing to bet TikTok can do the same against State governments too using legal system. Sure, gov't devices who gives a shit, but university networks sounds like breach of freedom of speech with spurious and circumstantial speculation and no evidence. Anyone know if TikTok is going to launch a legal appeal/challenge against these states?
 
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