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siegecrossbow

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M***herf***ers! If the shooting occurred at a Synagogue, and killed Jews. It would have instantly be labeled a hate crime.


Does it matter? Hell no! 'Asian' is a broad ethnic group. Shooting ppl who were celebrating the Chinese Lunar New Year is very intentional. If someone was shooting ppl celebrating Bar Mitzvah, would it not be called a hate crime? Why is the outrage so muted when its ppl getting killed celebrating a Chinese festival?

Technically Gordon Chang is an Asian male.
 

Eventine

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This is why Asian Americans are on the bottom of the totem pole. Instead of fighting against anti-Asian racism it is always Japanese Americans against Korean Americans, Taiwanese Americans against Mainland Chinese Americans, or even worse when it is Chinese on Chinese. How could you expect others to respect you when you don't even respect yourself?
East Asia today is more like Europe in the early 20th century - ie hardly an unified region. Europe isn't even unified today, as seen by the extreme hostility between Russia and its allies, and the West and its allies. Think about how much the Poles hate the Russians; then compare that to China, Korea, and Japan. The Poles are even a Slavic people, highly related to Russians.

So it isn't particularly surprising to see conflict between East Asians. The Americans are an exception in this regard - they're all about the "white race" because that's the only unifying force in America, since the European immigrants in the US aren't unified by any other identity, they needed the concept of the "white race" to hold them together.

Old World Europeans, by contrast, were never that enthusiastic about the "white race." The Germans looked down on the Slavs as an inferior race and wanted to enslave them. European racial scientists made a distinction between the various sub-races of Europe and politicians thought of them in zero-sum terms - ie Nordic interests must come at the expense of those other "sub-races" of Europe who should be enslaved or driven off to make space. That was the underlying current through much of World War 1 and 2.

In other words, East Asians hating each other is actually pretty "natural" if you want to compare to other Old World cultures and civilizations.

What's out of the ordinary is the hegemonic "white" identity that the US has been able to create post-World War 2 through its domination of Europe (outside of Russia) and North America.
 

supersnoop

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M***herf***ers! If the shooting occurred at a Synagogue, and killed Jews. It would have instantly be labeled a hate crime.


Does it matter? Hell no! 'Asian' is a broad ethnic group. Shooting ppl who were celebrating the Chinese Lunar New Year is very intentional. If someone was shooting ppl celebrating Bar Mitzvah, would it not be called a hate crime? Why is the outrage so muted when its ppl getting killed celebrating a Chinese festival?
To be fair, the Las Vegas mass shooting that killed 50+ people was at a country music festival, no one called that an anti-white hate crime even though that genre of music is overwhelmingly dominated by white fans.

Also, sad as this may be, it is totally not uncommon in these mass shootings to have a specific target, but cause a lot of collateral damage.
 

tankphobia

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East Asia today is more like Europe in the early 20th century - ie hardly an unified region. Europe isn't even unified today, as seen by the extreme hostility between Russia and its allies, and the West and its allies. Think about how much the Poles hate the Russians; then compare that to China, Korea, and Japan. The Poles are even a Slavic people, highly related to Russians.

So it isn't particularly surprising to see conflict between East Asians. The Americans are an exception in this regard - they're all about the "white race" because that's the only unifying force in America, since the European immigrants in the US aren't unified by any other identity, they needed the concept of the "white race" to hold them together.

Old World Europeans, by contrast, were never that enthusiastic about the "white race." The Germans looked down on the Slavs as an inferior race and wanted to enslave them. European racial scientists made a distinction between the various sub-races of Europe and politicians thought of them in zero-sum terms - ie Nordic interests must come at the expense of those other "sub-races" of Europe who should be enslaved or driven off to make space. That was the underlying current through much of World War 1 and 2.

In other words, East Asians hating each other is actually pretty "natural" if you want to compare to other Old World cultures and civilizations.

What's out of the ordinary is the hegemonic "white" identity that the US has been able to create post-World War 2 through its domination of Europe (outside of Russia) and North America.
It is much easier to be friendly with nations on the other side of the world than it is with your neighbours. Asian and European countries have hundreds or in some cases over a thousand year of bad blood between them. It's not a suprise that they will always have some level of weariness toward each other.

Relatively young countries like US or Australia that is the top kid of their little block don't really have that problem, there isn't ingrained cultural hatred against their neighbours like the thunderdome that is mainland Europe or south east Asia. After all to be tribal is to be human.

I'd argue that the greatest triumph of EU is that it stopped war between western European states, which while enforced by US hegemony, was also something unseen for a very, very long time. Why fight each other when you can pillage the rest of the world as a collective amirite?
 

KYli

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To be fair, the Las Vegas mass shooting that killed 50+ people was at a country music festival, no one called that an anti-white hate crime even though that genre of music is overwhelmingly dominated by white fans.

Also, sad as this may be, it is totally not uncommon in these mass shootings to have a specific target, but cause a lot of collateral damage.
It is reported that there is another incident in another place just 30 minutes away and that perpetrator's gun was wrestled and fled. So it does look like it is targeted against Chinese for Chinese New Year celebration even if the perpetrator is an Asian.
 

Overbom

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Sounds like a horrible idea that would just end up in making South America a puppet state for the US. They aren’t making a BRICs type of currency but the European Union style. We all know how that is going to end up financially, economically, and politically. Basically, just handing over the entire continent as a client state to the US.
Its a bad idea because they are doing it even worse than the EU (which by itself is pretty bad..)
No single market, no rules harmonisation.

What Brazil and Argentine need is not a common currency for now. They need economic reforms first to get out of the terrible hole they are into, start developing, and then do common currency, super-charged EU style. That's a long process of economic, political, judicial reforms that I am about 100% sure that Brazil and Argentine don't have the guts to do.

If they don't do these reforms, then their common currency idea will fail
 

daifo

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Its premature to call it a "hate crime" considering the suspect is unknown, motive is unknown, and some said he appear either Asian or "white/hispanic" which means it could be anyone. As we have also seen in China (any any other countries), there are insane people that take out others out of anger to society.

Here is a chinese news from la, graphix pic of people on the floor.

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9dashline

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Any Chinese should leave Amerikkka while they still can. It's clear it's no longer a safe place for asians especially with the rise of modern day McCarthyism
Before doing so, Max out your credit cards on a luxury cruise and the most expensive caviar, wagyu, etc...

Do it the Uncle Sam aka Mr. "31 Trillion in debt going to 50 Trillion by 2025" Way

And dont let Director Wray give you any shit on the way out either
 

BoraTas

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There are MANY Asian-Americans advocating for anti-Chinese hate including lots of Korean and Vietnamese-Americans who supposedly hate communism but in reality demonize anyone or thing related to China or Chinese.

But the worst advocates for hate come from new generation Taiwanese, new generation Hong Kongers and Falun Gongers. Those people are rabid in their hate.

My family came from Hong Kong and many of my friends growing up were Taiwanese. We all thought of ourselves as Chinese-Americans. Recently, these new youngsters from Taiwan and Hong Kong hated everything about China and panders to the hate. Many of them say they are not Chinese. They would try to prove the point by heaping hate on anything Chinese.

So I would say just keep yourself and family safe, it is too late to counteract and too many anti-Chinese haters even inside Asian community. Monterey Park is majority Chinese and still this happened.
The establishment could shut those Koreans and Taiwanese up easily if they wanted. Look at how you can't say anything against LGBTs, blacks and, to an even more extreme extent, Jews. They don't because racism against Chinese has given a green light. Those anti-Chinese Asians are ruining their own lives. Racists can't differentiate between Asians. To them Asia = China. They do not want to learn anything about Asia in the first place. They won't ask if they are from mainland China before stabbing them on a street.

Side note: Any non-white voting for Republican Party is a useful idiot.
 
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