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BMUFL

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Sir this is how you play Geopolitics with the US, agree with the US on Ukraine which for Brandon his number 1 priority BUT disagree on ASML total ban which will affect Dutch interest. Since the Netherlands is far away from Ukraine, donating a few 18 tanks is nothing compare to a lucrative trade with China. So hurrah to Rutte, he had masterfully played Brandon....lol
Damn, I always knew this Rutte guy was a slippery b*stard. From being dinged with a no-confidence motion while forming a government to somehow being minister-president again for the fourth time. Yeah, this guy is not a joke.
 

jwnz

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Yes they serve under a German army unit but with Dutch crews.

The F-16AMs are modernized F-16As. They are almost equal to block 50/52. We don't have many of those either. The fleet is getting retired. There were talks about their sale to Bulgaria. Unless a fast retirement is desired restoring recently retired F-16AMs would be the best choice.
How long will it take the Ukrainians to learn to operate and fly the F-16s? Or is the Dutch govt providing the ground crew and pilots too...
 

Sardaukar20

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Assembled in India with China-made parts... LOL


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Apple's relationship with China | Wangjing skyline's relationship with China | Wangjing skyline


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relationship with
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has been described as “untenable,” as the company faces criticism from senators on both sides of the political aisle. But unraveling that relationship will take more than 20 years, according to one former Apple engineer tasked with finding ways to automate production.

There is some good news today, as more than a dozen key Apple suppliers were granted permission to expand their work in
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, but ironically this only served to underline the company’s dependence on China …


Background​

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written
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of Apple’s dependence on China, as well as on
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the company faces in addressing this.

The
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made even clearer the risks of the company having most of its manufacturing eggs in one basket. Recent COVID-19-related disruption at the
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was estimated to have cost the company a
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India is seen as Apple’s main hope when it comes to relocating production outside of China. A report last year suggested that
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, and another one this week indicated that
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But a new report suggests that Apple’s relationship with China could remain as intertwined as ever for at least another couple of decades.

Apple’s relationship with China “untenable”​

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reports that there is bipartisan concern that Apple is effectively forced to do the bidding of the Communist Party, and that this situation simply cannot continue.

Progress in India… but with Chinese companies​

Apple’s attempts to increase production in India got a boost in the form of some 14 suppliers being given government permission to expand their operations, reports
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. But the catch is that these are Chinese companies.




Progress is also being hampered by political tensions between India and China, in the wake of violent conflicts over
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“Will take at least 20 years”​

One of the key barriers to the large-scale relocation of production lines is that the final assembly process is still very labor-intensive. Only yesterday it was revealed that iPhone production lines require
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as equivalent ones for Android phones for Chinese brands.

Apple has been working with Foxconn for many years on
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, with dreams of
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– but one former engineer tasked with this project says that it’s at least 20 years away.
It takes 10 x more workers to assemble iPhones than equivalent Chinese brands. And India is in no rush to automate production because it has the 'demographic dividend'. That kinda sets the tone for the decades ahead for Apple and it's suppliers for moving production to India.

Apple is welcomed to move production to India. Try it out for 10 years, see what happens. Because in 10, years time, I get the feeling that Apple will feel like bailing out of India. Like Ford, GM, Harley, etc.

Because in 10 years time. India will change policies for god knows how many times. India will impose more restrictions on foreign firms as the Indian billionaires will lobby for it. India will produce less qualified STEM graduates, because of BJP education policies today. India will stagnate technologically, relative to the West and East Asia as they have always done so for decades. Indian factories will still rely on imported critical components for decades to come. Thus, the the final cost for production in India is actually higher than in China because of all the government hurdles, and extra logistics for supplying Indian factories. If Apple wants to move away completely from Chinese suppliers upstream, then the production cost is gonna be vastly greater.

So in the end, Apple will reap smaller profits for moving production from China into India. And after all that, the so-called giant Indian market doesn't materialize. Because the Indian middle class was nowhere nearly as large as the Indians claimed it to be. And those existing Indian middle class will never spend as much as the Chinese middle class. They are notorious for stinginess.

But hey, for Apple, sticking it to the CCP is worth it right? Outside of India and China. Fussy techies will not be as confident about Apple products made in India. That Apple assurance will help for sure, but it'll be a tougher sell that iPhones made in China. Hint: Watch the after-sales service. Wumaos like me will boycott Apple products made in India. Some of our folks have posted guides on tracking Apple product SN to find those that were made in India. If Apple one day does flood our shelves with only Made in India products. Then we will boycott Apple completely. Nothing personal Apple, you're sticking it to the CCP, while we are sticking it to the BJP and the US govt.
 

Chevalier

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In new memoir, Mike Pompeo says Trump told him to ‘shut the hell up’ about China
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What is up with that freak?
Honestly, what possible reason does pompeo have for such animus against china? Show us on the doll where china touched you, little mike.
Exhibit A:
This is also how the western governments seek to maintain power, by casting Chinese ppl as scapegoats and china as the Great Evil. They’d much rather expend this much energy on hating and killing china rather than self improvemen. I don’t know if it’s a hallmark of the cattle stealing tribalism if nature of Indo-European cultures but this behaviour is unsettlin.
 

supersnoop

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It takes 10 x more workers to assemble iPhones than equivalent Chinese brands. And India is in no rush to automate production because it has the 'demographic dividend'. That kinda sets the tone for the decades ahead for Apple and it's suppliers for moving production to India.

Apple is welcomed to move production to India. Try it out for 10 years, see what happens. Because in 10, years time, I get the feeling that Apple will feel like bailing out of India. Like Ford, GM, Harley, etc.

Because in 10 years time. India will change policies for god knows how many times. India will impose more restrictions on foreign firms as the Indian billionaires will lobby for it. India will produce less qualified STEM graduates, because of BJP education policies today. India will stagnate technologically, relative to the West and East Asia as they have always done so for decades. Indian factories will still rely on imported critical components for decades to come. Thus, the the final cost for production in India is actually higher than in China because of all the government hurdles, and extra logistics for supplying Indian factories. If Apple wants to move away completely from Chinese suppliers upstream, then the production cost is gonna be vastly greater.

So in the end, Apple will reap smaller profits for moving production from China into India. And after all that, the so-called giant Indian market doesn't materialize. Because the Indian middle class was nowhere nearly as large as the Indians claimed it to be. And those existing Indian middle class will never spend as much as the Chinese middle class. They are notorious for stinginess.

But hey, for Apple, sticking it to the CCP is worth it right? Outside of India and China. Fussy techies will not be as confident about Apple products made in India. That Apple assurance will help for sure, but it'll be a tougher sell that iPhones made in China. Hint: Watch the after-sales service. Wumaos like me will boycott Apple products made in India. Some of our folks have posted guides on tracking Apple product SN to find those that were made in India. If Apple one day does flood our shelves with only Made in India products. Then we will boycott Apple completely. Nothing personal Apple, you're sticking it to the CCP, while we are sticking it to the BJP and the US govt.

You actually didn’t need to write all this…

The person who said Apple’s relationship with China is untenable was Josh “January 6th Hide and Seek” Hawley.

The FT article ended with a quote from a Foxconn Labour rep saying he believes that Apple will increase investment into China.
 
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