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Overbom

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Apparently zelensky wife sent an invitation to Xi for a "dialogue" with ukraine lol, how do you guys think Xi will respond?

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It's a good opportunity if true. If China can assist in stopping the fighting, not only will it help China's international image (as it seems CPC is now keen to switch away from Wolf Warriors), it will also enable Chinese companies to get lots of reconstruction work and other business, which they'd likely be locked out of if China is seen as being on Russia's side. Just talking costs nothing, and the potential upsides are significant.
Nah..
China won't deal with this mess until both parties are really looking to peace out. Russia currently wants to push for more. Ukraine also thinks that it can win in the long term.

So when both parties think that they can win, there is really no way for China to mediate for peace unless it uses its leverage against Russia to force it in peace(obv. a bad idea)

Best course of action, let them fight for another year, and when both parties are really worn out and their delusions have been dispelled, then China can maybe do something
 

Chevalier

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Apparently zelensky wife sent an invitation to Xi for a "dialogue" with ukraine lol, how do you guys think Xi will respond?

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It's a good opportunity if true. If China can assist in stopping the fighting, not only will it help China's international image (as it seems CPC is now keen to switch away from Wolf Warriors), it will also enable Chinese companies to get lots of reconstruction work and other business, which they'd likely be locked out of if China is seen as being on Russia's side. Just talking costs nothing, and the potential upsides are significant.
The shamelessness of the Ukrainian government knows no bounds; they stole Chinese investment monies (Motor Sich) and still expect Chinese help?
 

ansy1968

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He is weak and need to grow a spine, IF Duterte is still President he will stated again Very Vocally his Independent Foreign Policy which is "Friends to All, Enemy to None". Agonizing over such trivia matters is a joke as the survival of the country is at stake. A great stateman can successfully navigate if he put National Interest First rather than satisfying the concern of others. :(
 

Bellum_Romanum

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It's a good opportunity if true. If China can assist in stopping the fighting, not only will it help China's international image (as it seems CPC is now keen to switch away from Wolf Warriors), it will also enable Chinese companies to get lots of reconstruction work and other business, which they'd likely be locked out of if China is seen as being on Russia's side. Just talking costs nothing, and the potential upsides are significant.
Hard PASS. Not on stopping the War in Ukraine but in your futile and insulting label that China fighting for her interest and the interest of the Chinese people is somehow too what? Menacing that it offends western sensibilities? Too freaking bad.

The War in Ukraine will only stop if the interests of either party is achieved or lost in the battlefield. Otherwise, China in my opinion should not dictate, let alone interfere with Russian military operations. Russian lost isn't China's gain not in a bazillion years.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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He is weak and need to grow a spine, IF Duterte is still President he will stated again Very Vocally his Independent Foreign Policy which is "Friends to All, Enemy to None". Agonizing over such trivia matters is a joke as the survival of the country is at stake. A great stateman can successfully navigate if he put National Interest First rather than satisfying the concern of others. :(
He might not be able to tap into the iwealth the family did manage to "accrue" while his father was in office since it's stashed at Swiss banks under the control of the U.S.

Besides, Marcos Jr. is a slick talking TRAPO
 

Chevalier

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Anglo american white female acknowledges the superiority of a Confucian culture over whatever the hell the US Society is in atm:
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However, in typical white anglo fashion, the desire to narcissistically take chauvinistic potshots proved irresistible:
We weighed the pros of the Chinese route (our girls would learn fluent Mandarin and, hopefully, a broadened worldview) and the cons (exposure to Communist Party propaganda and potential social isolation of being foreigners in a group of Chinese students). We took the plunge.
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At times, our girls would repeat propaganda or, concerned about keeping up with their peers, despair that we hadn’t tutored them earlier in math
But coming home to the Anglo american heartland with its many Freedom and absence of propaganda meant being able to indulge in classic american culture such as live fire drills
In some ways, the culture shock coming home feels stronger than when we first arrived in China. We’ve returned to a divided America where many feel government has no place in our lives. For the first time, I’m a parent in America of two daughters navigating their middle and high school years. Resilient, open-minded and independent, they are thriving here, but it’s been an adjustment. They had their first live-shooter drill at school recently, and we’ve adjusted our senses to be on alert in a way we never needed to in Shanghai. In these times, I find myself missing my Chinese co-parent.

Rather than acknowledging an actual incontrovertible fact- the superiority of Chinese culture and society to Anglo American excess- this privileged white female clings close to her anglo american beliefs because they underpin her privilege. I have such an animus against these individuals, having come across far too many of these expat bubble types in Asia. These women are no different to the Sexpats who prey upon the young in south east Asia. They only came to China to profit and exploit chinese culture, cuisine and society and the goodwill of the Chinese people. In return, she slandered the entire culture and civilisation that sheltered her and her family and whose governance had kept her and her family safe.
The sheer ungratefulness is typical of the western atlanticist, especially amongst Anglos who consider themselves primes et pares in the West.
 
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horse

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He is weak and need to grow a spine, IF Duterte is still President he will stated again Very Vocally his Independent Foreign Policy which is "Friends to All, Enemy to None". Agonizing over such trivia matters is a joke as the survival of the country is at stake. A great stateman can successfully navigate if he put National Interest First rather than satisfying the concern of others. :(

It could be a little more complicated now brother ansy1968.

The US-China trade war, and tech war, it could be over.

The US-China trade war, and tech war, is effectively over, just not officially completely over. Sort of like the Koreas or mainland China and Taiwan, where the fighting has stopped but no peace treaty.

The US-China trade war, with trade at record levels between the two, and Chinese trade expanding worldwide non-stop, makes it appear a non-issue. If trade war does this, then we need more trade wars.

The US-China tech war, only theaters, were two of them, the US government war with Huawei 5G, and the more recent US government bans on IC equipment being sold to China (which the latter needed the support of other countries to have any chance at working).

Recent news confirms that Huawei gear is still everywhere in Europe, very few countries bothered to listen to American demands about banning Huawei. Of course, Huawei gear even dominant in places outside of Europe, and they selling them server racks too.

The news yesterday, that the Dutch want no part of the American IC bans, that would be the final nail to this stage of the tech war. If the Dutch refuse American demands which have been ongoing for over a year apparently, then no one else, such as South Korea or Japan, will agree to that either. Unless the Americans believe that those two will volunteer to be the suckas.

Therefore, trade war results in more trade, which makes it pointless; tech war results in Huawei still everywhere, and no one else interested in IC bans, leaving America isolated on those matters.

Now we get to this military angle, and people know that American trade war and tech war against China have been spectacular flops, with no achievements.

America doubling down on this military angle, is a clear move against China. Just like the trade war and tech war were clear moves against China. But the trade war and tech war were complete flops.

That is why it is very complicated now.

The American trade war and tech war against China, looks like no way forward now, it is stuck with nothing, it is an American debacle. How do we know that more American military maneuvering against the same China, will create another debacle for everybody?

Of course, no US ally can come out and say that, that they got their ass handed to them in the US China trade war and tech war the Huawei part. The IC war is still ongoing, but America fights that alone. But the question remains. Why prop up the US military in the region. What good will it serve those countries?

Japan and Australia would want it. After that, it gets complicated.

Does not matter what they say. They do not know what to do.

Something happened here. People got to digest that first before moving forward.
 
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