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ACuriousPLAFan

Brigadier
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China should seriously consider a second Cuban Missile crisis but this time set those nuclear tipped missiles there permanently. These vicious bastards in the US are getting more and more unhinged every other day, time for them to actually feel the heat closer to their homeland. It's either this or they will keep escalating without any response from China and then they will normalise this shit.
I fully agree with the response by @plawolf here, and I would like to expand further on his points.

Recall that there are two direct and two indirect contributors to the Cuban Missile Crisis:
1. Other than the Soviets stationing their nuclear-tipped R-12 and R-14 missiles in Cuba, the Americans were also stationing nuclear-tipped Jupiter missiles in Turkey and Italy;
2. The US has attempted an illegitimate invasion on sovereign socialist Cuba, which is the botched Bay of Pigs Invasion, alongside the multiple attempts at overthrowing Castro;
3. The missile gap between the US and the Soviet Union at the time, which rendered the Soviet Union unable to conduct effective retaliatory nuclear strikes against the US in case of nuclear war; and
4. The follow-up on the 1961 Berlin Standoff, which Khruschev believed that he need to get rid of NATO forces from West Berlin.

All of the 4 contributors above (or at least, the first 3) are well-defined, reasonable justification in the views of the Soviet Union's decision to station nuclear-tipped missiles in Cuba. In fact, in the eyes of the rest of the world, Soviet actions WRT Cuba can also be seen as a justifiable response to US actions WRT Cuba, Turkey and Italy.

That means even if the actions by the Soviets were seen as provocative and that the Soviet Union was viewed as the aggressor, similarly, the Americans too can be seen as provocative and that the USA too can be viewed as the aggressor.

Meanwhile, what justification does China have to station nukes on Cuba?

The Sinophobic warhawks in Congress declaring Cold War 2.0 against China?
US sailing warships through the Taiwan Strait?
Flying spy planes just outside Chinese territorial airspace?
CIA supporting Taiwanese and Xinjiang seperatist movements?
US government waging propaganda, trade, economic and technological wars against China?
Pelosi and (soon) McCarthy visiting Taiwan?

Bruh, those are pretty much 家常便饭 at this point. The recorded human history is choke full of examples like that.

However, did anyone just went gung-ho gun-blazzing "I wanna kill you all and your families and your friends and your relatives too" just because of that? No.

Going back to the topic, China has faced multiple instances of provocation by the West - In particular by the USA - Ever since the founding of the People's Republic in October 1949. These include the Yinhe Incident, 3rd Taiwan Strait Crisis Bombing of Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, 2001 Hainan Island Incident, the 2016 South China Sea standoff, and most recently, Pelosi's visit to Taiwan.

A declaration of Cold War 2.0 against China by the USA constitutes NOTHING when compared to the above.

If China is to station nuclear warheads on Cuba as a reponse to that declaration by the US Congress, what do you think the rest of the world is going to see China as?

At this very crucial and decisive moment since the founding of the PRC in the face of constant and intensifying emnity and provocation by the US, what China actually needs very much right now is more friends and more supporters on the world stage. The key objective for Beijing in the current global geopolitical development is to make the world sees China as much of a victim of the USA as possible, NOT making the world see China as much of an aggressor targetting the USA as possible.

Sometimes in the geopolitic realm, the act of voluntarily putting one's own country in the "weaker" position can do much more favor to the country's goal of garnering support from allies and other countries than adamantly holding onto the "stronger" position.

By stationing nukes on Cuba, China would be doing the exact opposite of what she is trying to achieve.

Furthermore, other countries would see China setting a precedent - That if China is to embroil in a serious dispute with Country A in the future, and that Country A is not cordial with a nearby Country B, China would station nukes in Country B in order to force Country A into changing its policies and decisions that would favor China. This would not only make regional situation even worse and unstable than it is already been, but also fueling the potential for more countries to disregard the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in order to pursue their own nuclear weapons for geopolitical gain.

This goes the same for just about any other nuclear power, which is why you don't see nuclear powers do that anymore.

Moreover, if China stations nukes on Cuba and causing the USA to finish off what is left undone 60+ years ago (i.e. invading Cuba militarily), Cuba is absolutely toast. Both Russia and China today have neither the capacity nor the capability required to meaningfully assist Cuba against the US aggression without resorting to nuclear war between the US+NATO and China+Russia.

Last but not least, China stationing nukes on Cuba would be a perfect tool for the USA to justify stationing nukes in Kadena or Osan, for instance - Serving as a direct response to China's actions WRT Cuba. For that, I don't think anyone here would like a Cuban Missile Crisis 2.0.
 
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theforgotten0007

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Thing is, a 2nd cuban missile crisis would entail putting one of China's allies at the crosshairs of US (even more so than it already is) and China doesn't play such games. The PR win would look good on paper (maybe) in the short term but China's reputation is going to suffer globally in the long term when framed as an aggressor, especially when its trying to make inroads into LatAm.

The approaches to diplomacy between US, Soviets and China cannot be any more different.
 
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emblem21

Major
Registered Member
I fully agree with the response by @plawolf here, and I would like to expand further on his points.

Recall that there are two direct and two indirect contributors to the Cuban Missile Crisis:
1. Other than the Soviets stationing their nuclear-tipped R-12 and R-14 missiles in Cuba, the Americans were also stationing nuclear-tipped Jupiter missiles in Turkey and Italy;
2. The US has attempted an illegitimate invasion on sovereign socialist Cuba, which is the botched Bay of Pigs Invasion, alongside the multiple attempts at overthrowing Castro;
3. The missile gap between the US and the Soviet Union at the time, which rendered the Soviet Union unable to conduct effective retaliatory nuclear strikes against the US in case of nuclear war; and
4. The follow-up on the 1961 Berlin Standoff, which Khruschev believed that he need to get rid of NATO forces from West Berlin.

All of the 4 contributors above (or at least, the first 3) are well-defined, reasonable justification in the views of the Soviet Union's decision to station nuclear-tipped missiles in Cuba. In fact, in the eyes of the rest of the world, Soviet actions WRT Cuba can also be seen as a justifiable response to US actions WRT Cuba, Turkey and Italy.

That means even if the actions by the Soviets were seen as provocative and that the Soviet Union was viewed as the aggressor, similarly, the Americans too can be seen as provocative and that the USA too can be viewed as the aggressor.

Meanwhile, what justification does China have to station nukes on Cuba?

The Sinophobic warhawks in Congress declaring Cold War 2.0 against China?
US sailing warships through the Taiwan Strait?
Flying spy planes just outside Chinese territorial airspace?
CIA supporting Taiwanese and Xinjiang seperatist movements?
US government waging propaganda, trade, economic and technological wars against China?
Pelosi and (soon) McCarthy visiting Taiwan?

Bruh, those are pretty much 家常便饭 at this point. The recorded human history is choke full of examples like that.

However, did anyone just went gung-ho gun-blazzing "I wanna kill you all and your families and your friends and your relatives too" just because of that? No.

Going back to the topic, China has faced multiple instances of provocation by the West - In particular by the USA - Ever since the founding of the People's Republic in October 1949. These include the Yinhe Incident, 3rd Taiwan Strait Crisis Bombing of Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, 2001 Hainan Island Incident, the 2016 South China Sea standoff, and most recently, Pelosi's visit to Taiwan.

A declaration of Cold War 2.0 against China by the USA constitutes NOTHING when compared to the above.

If China is to station nuclear warheads on Cuba as a reponse to that declaration by the US Congress, what do you think the rest of the world is going to see China as?

At this very crucial and decisive moment since the founding of the PRC in the face of constant and intensifying emnity and provocation by the US, what China actually needs very much right now is more friends and more supporters on the world stage. The key objective for Beijing in the current global geopolitical development is to make the world sees China as much of a victim of the USA as possible, NOT making the world see China as much of an aggressor targetting the USA as possible.

Sometimes in the geopolitic realm, the act of voluntarily putting one's own country in the "weaker" position can do much more favor to the country's goal of garnering support from allies and other countries than adamantly holding onto the "stronger" position.

By stationing nukes on Cuba, China would be doing the exact opposite of what she is trying to achieve.

Furthermore, other countries would see China setting a precedent - That if China is to embroil in a serious dispute with Country A in the future, and that Country A is not cordial with a nearby Country B, China would station nukes in Country B in order to force Country A into changing its policies and decisions that would favor China. This would not only make regional situation even worse and unstable than it is already been, but also fueling the potential for more countries to disregard the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in order to pursue their own nuclear weapons for geopolitical gain.

This goes the same for just about any other nuclear power, which is why you don't see nuclear powers do that anymore.

Moreover, if China stations nukes on Cuba and causing the USA to finish off what is left undone 60+ years ago (i.e. invading Cuba militarily), Cuba is absolutely toast. Both Russia and China today have neither the capacity nor the capability required to meaningfully assist Cuba against the US aggression without resorting to nuclear war between the US+NATO and China+Russia.

Last but not least, China stationing nukes on Cuba would be a perfect tool for the USA to justify stationing nukes in Kadena or Osan, for instance - Serving as a direct response to China's actions WRT Cuba. For that, I don't think anyone here would like a Cuban Missile Crisis 2.0.
Better for China to stockpile hypersonic nukes quietly and advance the weapon tech as much as possible to eliminate the advantage that the USA has on China as much as possible in the coming few years.

With the current war in Ukraine and how poorly things are going there, it’s better to let Russia handle the physical degradation of the US stockpile of weapons while working to ensure Russia does not fall, at least until the USA falls on its own sword first. I don’t think the USA has more then the next two years to turn things around and in a another two years China would be superior in military to the USA by then anyhow given how the conditions within the US is looking to drastically degrade within that timespan. With how much China has accomplished in the last few years without overtly fighting back against the USA, why waste the effort to aggressively push back against the USA for a few good looks in optics, I mean it’s not doing Zelensky a whole lot of good and it certainly isn’t going much favours for the USA either given how the taking of Soledar by the Russians is having the west in a crazy fit right now. Besides, it’s only the start of this year and the USA has been struck by multiple natural disasters, and we haven’t even gotten to the half way point year. Let’s nature do it’s work while any members in the USA should work quickly on a get away plan if the need arises because all those stores closing in the USA and infrastructure crumpling and food processing plants in the USA should be a sign to all that the situation in the USA is never going to improve (sometimes, I honestly think the government is trying to kill the people there on purpose, I mean what kind of ret@rd in high places is trying to ban the use of gas stoves)

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9dashline

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Proud Boys members rioted in Chinatown and shouting out hate speech on the street, sparking conflicts. MSM is silent on this and police is doing nothing but ask them to leave. More importantly, someone needs to take actions to show no one can come to Chinatown to riot and leave without consequences.
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Wont be long before MAGA boys start hanging "Chinamen" from trees like they did to negros back in the day... The government and law enforcement will look the other way just like they did before.
 

emblem21

Major
Registered Member
Wont be long before MAGA boys start hanging "Chinamen" from trees like they did to negros back in the day... The government and law enforcement will look the other way just like they did before.
Honestly, what does people expect from a nation that took hundreds of years to make an attempt at treating black peoples like human beings (and are still failing at it anyway) and with how dumb down the US population is nowadays, expecting them to treat asians and by extension Chinese people as human beings is simply asking for the impossible. The more things like this happen, the more Asians (including Chinese people) will look to avoid going tot he USA in the future so really, I see this as more proof that the US is on the path to ruin since they focus too much on what divides the nation rather then unite, to really see the fact that a United USA can actually face China and possibly defeat China if they have their act together and actually have policies to exploit this fact but right now with all its problems and with the population as screwed up as it is now, good luck getting Biden out of bed to see just what his inaction is causing the USA right now and how the hardliners have basically ran the nation into the ground
 

KYli

Brigadier
First, who did the wiretap. Second, he is probably trying to be a double agent.
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Angwang was granted asylum in the U.S. after overstaying his visa. He claimed he was tortured by the Chinese government because of his Tibetan ethnicity. However, Angwang’s mother and father were Chinese Communist Party members and his brother and father worked for the People’s Liberation Army, prosecutors said.

Federal prosecutors had obtained wiretapped conversations between Angwang and his Chinese handler at the PRC Consulate in New York City. In one conversation, Angwang said he wanted to be promoted within the NYPD to “bring glory to China,” prosecutors said. He also apparently said in a separate call that his handler’s bosses in Beijing “should be happy . . . because you have stretched your reach into the police.”
 

H2O

Junior Member
Registered Member
What timetime to war? this year? 2024? 2025? etc

So I can max out my credit cards on something like this, its not like im going to be concerned about paying back unsecured debt when im camping or gassed

Joking aside (i.e. credit card). Things will heat up as we approach the 2024 general election. There's a high probability the Republicans will light that fuse once they take the White House and they'll probably be foolish enough to go for the grand prize, Iran, at the same time. However, the war already started against China. It's just the military phase haven't kicked off.
 
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