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caudaceus

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supercat said:
Whoever was in charge of the CIA at the time was both incredibly complacent and utterly incompetent by assuming that China had the same capability as MENA countries.
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I think mostly failure of communication and imagination. Designer of system only have Taliban and ISIS as adversaries profile and failed to communicate the assumption. The operators only assume that this system is secure and liberally use it anywhere without much thought.
 
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horse said:
Actually, I did not see this coming.

The problem is Rudd, himself.

He is an Aussie.
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The Australians are like blunt, direct. They actually say what is on their minds.

The previous Australian government were just minions, wannabe Americans.

Rudd is connected, probably more connected than the previous government, that is definitely true if we are talking about Asia.

What Rudd is saying is rather loud and clear here.

What does everyone else in Asia thinks?

The Japanese, publicly fully support the Americans. Then quietly sell off their US Treasury Bonds holdings.

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theforgotten0007

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horse said:
I used to kind of like Rudd, 5 years to 10 years ago, but lately the last 2 to 3 years really dislike him, because he was advocating bringing this American new hostility to the region.
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Rule #1: Nobody tells america what to do.
Rule #2: America tells you what to do.

Any politician worth their salt would've realised this from the start. Which is also why China chooses not to play this game and engaging only when necessary.

Can't lose if you don't play.

Rudd had a softer stance on China back then precisely because he was OZ PM and
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. Studying chinese literature, as you rightly pointed out, was an added bonus that positioned him well as the perfect mediator for US-China relations. This is why I think he appealed to both Westerners and Asians alike. He genuinely tried to balance the needs of both parties.

Now that he's no longer in office however, he finds himself with a new pair of shackles in place of his old ones - bestowed the crown as prez/CEO of yet another of those echo chambers masquerading as think-tanks (Asia Society). This means toeing the party line and regurgitating the usual anti-China spiel for the uneducated masses.

But I think even he's also getting sick of US' ridiculous demands evidenced from his recent comments Re: US allies. There may be hope yet for Rudd.
 
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emblem21

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theforgotten0007 said:
Rule #1: Nobody tells america what to do.
Rule #2: America tells you what to do.

Any politician worth their salt would've realised this from the start. Which is also why China chooses not to play this game and engaging only when necessary.

Can't lose if you don't play.

Rudd had a softer stance on China back then precisely because he was OZ PM and
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. Studying chinese literature, as you rightly pointed out, was an added bonus that positioned him well as the perfect mediator for US-China relations. This is why I think he appealed to both Westerners and Asians alike. He genuinely tried to balance the needs of both parties.

Now that he's no longer in office however, he finds himself with a new pair of shackles in place of his old ones - bestowed the crown as prez/CEO of yet another of those echo chambers masquerading as think-tanks (Asia Society). This means toeing the party line and regurgitating the usual anti-China spiel for the uneducated masses.

But I think even he's also getting sick of US' ridiculous demands evidenced from his recent comments Re: US allies. There may be hope yet for Rudd.
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Many people are quite annoyed with the USA these days, in fact no one ever seems to bring them up at all and would rather concentrate on everyday life and keep the news out as much as possible from everyday life. I’d rather Paul Keating make a come back or someone of similar mind but let’s see how things play out first. But no liberals because Peter Dutton is a stupid fu@k that no one likes. I guess I hope some small hope for Australia to change course (even a little) but the USA, absolutely no hope and really they deserve it.
 
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alfreddango

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theforgotten0007 said:
Studying chinese literature, as you rightly pointed out, was an added bonus that positioned him well as the perfect mediator for US-China relations. This is why I think he appealed to both Westerners and Asians alike. He genuinely tried to balance the needs of both parties.
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didn't he study in taiwan though? and made his thesis on a human rights activist according to wikipedia
maybe what he says these days is his normal position, the way he conducted himself in the past was just an outlier (times were different then, the west thinks china was more open to the world than it is now)
 
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