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tokenanalyst said:

Stealing weapons deals from the US Military Industrial Complex? Looks that el presidente of South Korea is asking for some regime change.​

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Better call Seoul: U.S. watches nervously as Europe turns to South Korea for weapons​


South Korea is racking up multibillion-dollar defense deals in Europe as Seoul pushes to become a bigger player in international weapons sales.
And it’s causing some jitters in the U.S. defense industry.

The contracts for tanks, fighter planes and rocket launchers — all signed within the past three months — come as European capitals look to restock their warehouses after months of sending their own equipment to Ukraine. And Eastern Europe, which normally turns to the U.S. for new weapons, is increasingly considering buying from South Korea instead, which says it can deliver them faster and cheaper.

South Korean defense firms have long been active in Europe, selling mobile howitzers and small arms to a number of countries over the past half-decade. But those deals have paled in comparison to the $5.8 billion blockbuster contract Poland signed with two South Korean companies in July. The agreement included 980 K2 Black Panther tanks, 672 K9 self-propelled howitzers and 48 FA-50 fighter planes, with deliveries on some of the tanks and howitzers expected to begin by the end of this year. The deals could be worth as much as $15 billion if all of the options are exercised in the coming years.
And last month, Poland signed a contract with South Korean company Hanwha Defense for 288 Chunmoo multiple rocket launchers, with the first batch arriving next year, instead of waiting years to begin receiving the U.S.-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems.
Poland was initially seeking as many as 500 HIMARS from the U.S., but at an Oct. 19 signing ceremony with his South Korean counterpart, Defense Minister Mariusz Błaszczak explained that “unfortunately due to limited industrial capabilities, it will not be possible for the equipment to be delivered in a satisfactory timeframe. Therefore, we started talks with South Korea — our proven partner.”
The sheer size of the contracts, and promises of a fast turnaround on delivery, has caught the attention of the defense industry in the U.S.
“There is concern from U.S. industry that this won’t stop with Poland,” said one industry insider who has dealings multiple U.S. defense firms, and who — like others in this article — requested anonymity to speak about relations between the U.S., Europe and South Korea.

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German is at risk of economic disaster already due to its embracing the interests of the US and the UK instead of itself. It is just funny how much distorted facts and contradictions within this article. It spends good part of the article to claim China is doom but at the same time you could literally read fear from the article. Fear of competition, fear of alternative views, fear of not able to stop China.
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Helius said:
As I understand Hokkien is very similar to what was spoken during Tang and Song dynasties due to migration, wars and unrests. Eastern China in those periods were undeveloped and sparsely populated compared to Chang'an and surrounding regions i.e. today's Xi'an.
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Confucius (Spring and Autumn era, c 500 BC) is from Shandong. In those days, the east was the developed part of China. Qin (秦), in the west, was initially semi-barbaric and "got civilized" as they dealt more with the east.

Helius said:
Similar happenings with Song as it fell to the Mongols, forcing the imperial court south along with most of the populace.
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Northern Song fell to the Jin (金). The Song emperor and his father were taken prisoner. This is the Jing Kang Shame (靖康之耻) made famous in the Jin Yong novel The Condor Heroes. Southern Song was established by a son of the Northern Song emperor. As time went on, the Mongols defeated the Jin in northern China, and eventually Southern Song.

As a funny aside, Taiwan's infamous 210% general had claimed that ROC and PRC could coexist, just like how Northern/Southern Song, and Eastern/Western Han co-existed historically. In fact, like the two Songs, Eastern Han came to be because Western Han fell.
 
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Feima said:
Confucius (Spring and Autumn era, c 500 BC) is from Shandong. In those days, the east was the developed part of China. Qin (秦), in the west, was initially semi-barbaric and "got civilized" as they dealt more with the east.
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I was referring to regions south of Yangtze like Fujian, where Hokkien is now spoken, where it saw mass migration from other regions centred around Chang'an during those periods -

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Feima said:
Northern Song fell to the Jin (金). The Song emperor and his father were taken prisoner. This is the Jing Kang Shame (靖康之耻) made famous in the Jin Yong novel The Condor Heroes. Southern Song was established by a son of the Northern Song emperor. As time went on, the Mongols defeated the Jin in northern China, and eventually Southern Song.

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Yeah you're right it was the Jurchens who conquered Northern Song.
 
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I sort of expected this to happen. South Korea and Japan are the only Western aligned countries actually building new tanks. And Japanese military hardware is ludicrously expensive. So that leaves South Korea basically. The US MIC is bloated and inefficient. Their land systems are also for the most part utterly obsolete. US tanks, IFVs, artillery, etc designs are some three decades older than the South Korean ones. Where the US MIC has an advantage is in fighter aircraft and large aircraft in general.

The KA-50 sale to Poland is kind of surprising to me though. I would have expected the Poles to buy the T-7 Red Hawk.
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Poland is now too poor to afford truly Western made systems, training and maintenance.
I have doubt SKorea considering its demographics will be able to upgrade and maintain these products over 30 to 40 years life cycle.

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“Don’t worry, we’re going to free Iran. They’re going to free themselves pretty soon,”Biden told those attending a party fundraiser at MiraCosta College near San Diego on Thursday.
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He was “expressing our solidarity with the protesters,” Kirby told the White House press corps the following day, adding that any change of government in Tehran “has to be up to the people of Iran."
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So in other words, the protests in Iran was being operated by the CIA. You can’t “express solidarity” with the protesters and say “we’re going to free Iran.” Waiting for Biden to randomly kick the can because he keeps leaking the imperialist plans.
 
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Does anyone think after democracy falls in the US that they still won't be beating countries around the world over their heads with democracy and using it as an excuse to bomb them? Look at how Republicans hide behind democracy when at the same time trying to deny women and minorities the right to a vote.
 
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