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S.Korea proceeds with THAAD to enhance alliance with US, 'risks China ties'

By Zhang Han Published: Sep 19, 2022 10:47 PM


Anti-THAAD protestors, using mesh to connect themselves, are at a stalemate with the police as the South Korean military planned to transport construction equipment and materials into Seongju-gun for construction of the THAAD base in South Korea on April 12, 2018. Photo: VCG

Anti-THAAD protestors, using mesh to connect themselves, are at a stalemate with the police as the South Korean military planned to transport construction equipment and materials into Seongju-gun for construction of the THAAD base in South Korea on April 12, 2018. Photo: VCG


The South Korean government has reportedly advanced the deployment of the US Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile defense system, by granting more land to the US for the operation of the unit in Seongju, a move that represents a risky path of enhancing Seoul's alliance with Washington at the cost of China ties, analysts said.

Observers warned that escalation of the situation and further deployment of THAAD risks dragging China-South Korea relations into the abyss again, which is against South Korean interests, as the US is never a reliable ally.

China and South Korea had a series of diplomatic interactions, as the two countries celebrate their three decades of diplomatic relations. China's top legislator Li Zhanshu said during his visit to South Korea last week that handling sensitive issues properly is crucial to the healthy and stable development of bilateral ties. Earlier in August, Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi met with South Korean Foreign Minister Park Jin and exchanged views on the issue, agreeing that both sides' security concerns should be respected and the two countries should make efforts to properly handle THAAD-related issues so that they will not become a hurdle in bilateral relations.

However, South Korea should not mistaken the communication and positive signs in bilateral relations as China's acknowledgement and acceptance of the "normalization" of THAAD, observers noted.

South Korea's Yonhap News quoted diplomatic and military sources as saying on Monday that senior South Korean foreign ministry officials and US military commanders had signed a document on THAAD land provisions, completing all the related procedures.

A total of 730,000 square meters of land, including 330,000 given five years ago, have been granted. The handover, following the formation of an environmental impact assessment panel, signifies that efforts to "normalize operations" of the base have entered their final stage, Yonhap reported.

Zhan Debin, director and professor at the Center for Korean Peninsula Studies of the Shanghai University of International Business and Economics, told the Global Times that the current South Korean government is very determined to deploy THAAD despite local protests and China's opposition.

China has held a consistent stance that friendly countries can develop relations with other countries based on their interests, but those relations should not target China or harm Chinese interests, Zhan said.

Since taking office, South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol has been pushing forward the alliance with the US. Yoon is about to meet US President Joe Biden on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly, likely "with trade, the won value slump and Peninsula issues on his mind," said analysts.

Yoon and Biden may discuss the US Inflation Reduction Act, which excludes electric vehicles assembled outside North America from tax incentives, raising concerns it will act as a significant trade barrier for Korean-made cars, Yonhap reported Sunday.

Zhan said that US foreign policy has always milked allies to serve its own interests — former US president Donald Trump spoke about "America first" out loud while Biden thinks it. Therefore, Seoul should carefully evaluate what it can get from a closer alliance with the US and what it may lose.

Yoon may have thought that by advocating their similarities in systems and values, South Korea can secure a "more equal" status in trade and other cooperation with the US. But the inflation act is a lesson and Yoon will gradually realize he "thought too well of the US."

On security, the US could make commitments and require South Korea's cooperation in drills and weapons deployment, but "the commitment can never be verified until a nuclear conflict scenario really happens," Zhan said. When it happens, the US can abandon South Korea at any time.

The expert also noted that the closer South Korea stands with the US, the smaller its room for maneuver to maintain autonomy.

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Any predictions if this will result in a material change in relations, or just some symbolic actions taken?
 

supersnoop

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It’s funny to see that people are starting to recognize that storing data in China is the best way to keep it safe and out of the hands of domestic law enforcement’s jurisdiction. Full circle back to this July news article:

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I often see these off-hand type comments on Huawei stories. Americans who say stuff like "What is the Chinese government going to do with my information? Use it against me? If I use an iPhone, I know Apple will let the government get whatever they want!"

Maybe they are actually wumao, I don't know, but the logic is sound. Which is a good segue for this...

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The joke part is that they are claiming only 150 fake accounts. Seems like a psychological tool again to let the American audience think they are admitting to just a tiny fault.

The average american audience member broadly falls into 2 categories
1. True believers. Those who honestly believe that western liberal democracy is the true messiah.
2. Totally naive. For whatever reason, they don't think the US would ever do anything "bad".

There is a lot of overlap between the two, but group 1 doesn't necessarily think that western governments have totally clean hands, just whatever dirty deeds are done are for "the greater good", and also they would never stoop as far as whatever things China and Russia do that are "worse".
 

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South Korea complains of growing friction with US over high-tech trade​

Seoul’s trade minister accuses Joe Biden of about-face on electric vehicle subsidies
The Biden administration’s abrupt withdrawal of subsidies for South Korean electric vehicles is threatening to undermine trust in the US, Seoul’s trade minister has warned, as trade tensions grow between the allies.
Seoul is furious that EVs manufactured by Hyundai in South Korea will be excluded from generous consumer tax credits contained in the Inflation Reduction Act, a landmark US climate, tax and spending law.
 

2handedswordsman

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Modern wars are increasingly won (or decisively turn the scales towards you side) at the first days

Its called look first, shoot first.
The moment you get targeting information of any kind of target, some minutes later that target is and should be destroyed.

Btw the clown show currently happening between Ukraine and Russia is not a modern war.
I think is post modern warfare. Low intensity, modern weapons, resist of massive using of heavy tactical weaponry etc. Ukraine has the ability to strike Russian targets in Russian soil but prefers not to for example, in the fear of escalation. Russian side do the same. It's like being constantly one step before total war. But this applies only to Russian side because of metrics and raw power. The economics of both sides have not get to the point of de facto militarization (oh poor Ukrainian people). I think Russia is trying what USA did at WWII. They exploited the conflict in Europe and the peace at its soil to restructure and build up their economy after the great depression, which led to the massive surplasses used to rebuild Europe after axis defeat, making Europe a pro US and anti Soviet puppet with the Marshall plan. The more this SMO continues, more gains got to the Russian side and allies (politically and economically), while the other side is destabilizing and bleeding. Hmmm this is not so modern i agree. It's like a repeat of history as a "joke"
 

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Probably an calculated attempt to beat down the East Asian car manufacturers. Japan self defeated themselves in the EV space and only Hyundai/Kia has a credible product line up for the next few years. Most products from europe is on the luxury side and CHYNA prob will be banned or have many hurdles to get something on market in the US.
 

alfreddango

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Protests against rising electricity prices in Italy. This is how police in "democratic" Europe treat protestors! People do not want to pay out of their own pockets for the anti-Russian sanctions and get a stick on the head for it.

This is European "democracy" now.
not saying everything is fine and dandy in italy at the moment, but there have been no violent protests in genova so far, I think it's just bs
 
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