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Russia’s economy shrank by 4 percent year-on-year over the second quarter, according to data published by Russian federal statistics service Rosstat. The plunge, though significant in absolute terms, was not as drastic as expected by Russian and some Western observers. “June data suggests the contraction in the Russian economy seems to have bottomed out as the situation in some industries is stabilizing,” Sergey Konygin, an economist at Sinara Investment Bank, told Reuters.

Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban claimed in a speech last month that the European Union’s sanctions strategy against Russia has failed. “A new strategy is needed which should focus on peace talks and drafting a good peace proposal … instead of winning the war,” he said. Orban said the West’s strategy was built on four pillars—that Ukraine can win a war against Russia with NATO backing, that sanctions will hurt Russia more than Europe, that the rest of the world will support Western punitive measures against Russia, and that sanctions will critically weaken Russia. “We are sitting in a car that has a puncture in all four tires. It is absolutely clear that the war cannot be won in this way,” Orban said.

The latter three “tires” have created a constellation of unexpected challenges for the Western sanctions regime.

Russia’s Central Bank took swift measures in the wake of the Ukraine invasion to shield the ruble from a flurry of U.S. and EU financial restrictions. Far from being reduced to “rubble,” as President Joe Biden
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in March, the ruble became one of the world’s strongest performing currencies this year.

Even as Moscow takes unprecedented macroeconomic steps to contain the damage from sanctions, Russian policymakers are honing their tools to evade or otherwise mitigate specific punitive measures. Citing a
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maintained by Yale University’s Chief Executive Leadership Institute (CELI), proponents of the sanctions regime have noted that over 1,000 companies have “curtailed operations” in Russia.

Though the Western-led financial pullout from Russia appears overwhelming in sheer scale, the reality on the ground is rather more complicated. Russian authorities have
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enabled a wide range of “parallel import” schemes, according to a recent report by DW. From Levi’s jeans to Apple iPhones, numerous common and luxury products continue to be available for purchase in Russia’s metropolitan centers despite the fact that these manufacturers are no longer directly supplying Russian markets. Such goods typically arrive in Russia by way of unauthorized imports from entities based in former Soviet countries including Kazakhstan, Belarus, and Armenia.

Moscow has opened the floodgates to such activities by lifting restrictions on the resale of many types of goods purchased abroad. These transactions, also known as gray market sales, have totaled $6.5 billion since May, and are expected to reach $16 billion by the end of the year, according to Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov. Other products and services also continue to be available through rebranding and knockoff ventures.
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, both of which ceased operations in Russia in the months following the invasion of Ukraine, have been replaced by successor companies that offer nearly-identical products with similar branding. Courts would normally put a swift end to such obvious copycat enterprises, but Russia’s legal system is in no mood to lend a sympathetic ear to the patent and infringement claims of Western companies at a time of unprecedented hostility between Russia and the West.

Perhaps the greatest long-term challenge to the West’s campaign to squeeze Russia over its invasion of Ukraine is the fact that the world’s great economic powers have not only refused to join the Washington-led sanctions regime but continue to deepen their trade and financial ties with Moscow. Both
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have intensified the pace of their energy imports from Russia over the past half year. There have been
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of the former selling refined Russian oil to European and U.S. importers. Russian earnings from energy exports skyrocketed following the West’s sanctions barrage earlier this year.

Experts say the effects of sanctions on Russia could take years to fully manifest. Even then, there is no guarantee that the forecasted economic stagnation will occur on a sufficient scale to starve the Kremlin war machine or otherwise produce meaningful, positive changes in Russia’s foreign policy. Moscow, driven by the conviction that its existential interests hinge on victory in Ukraine, believes it can outlast the West economically and on the battlefield. Russia has so far largely managed to mitigate the pain from sanctions and is shifting its strategy in Ukraine from trying to quickly seize major cities to bleeding Ukrainian forces white in a grinding war of attrition.

European consumers, meanwhile, are
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and electricity bills as officials scramble to contain the energy crisis unleashed by what experts have described as the EU’s poorly conceived plan to transition away from Russian energy imports. With Germany
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on the verge of a recession, Europe’s mounting economic challenges have reignited concerns that EU states could start peeling away from the Western sanctions regime. Even before Russian energy giant Gazprom
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to cut European customers off from gas supplies,
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that a majority of Europeans—including 49 percent of Germans—favored policies aimed at facilitating a negotiated settlement rather than Russia’s clear defeat. As the war drags on with no end in sight, these growing trends risk splintering the West’s united front on Ukraine sooner than the sanctions regime manages to take a decisive toll on Russia’s economy.
 

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Thats true. Would Iran really trust the West again. Whoever wins 2024 could break the deal again. What guarantee does Iran have this time.

As for Russia, wouldn't increased global supply coming from Iran result in lower oil prices?
If there is a race to the bottom i'm sure Russia will probably be able to hold out the longest. We kind of seen something of a Saudi vs Russia oil price war during 2020 so much so that even oil prices went negative for a short moment because people wanted to pay others to offload their oil bought in the future market..

What i think will happen is that sometime in the future Iran will become part of some new form of OPEC++,
those OPEC players will agree on how to supply China, India and ASEAN with energy so all parties(buyers and sellers) can become or stay prosperous.
 

AndrewS

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Thats true. Would Iran really trust the West again. Whoever wins 2024 could break the deal again. What guarantee does Iran have this time.

As for Russia, wouldn't increased global supply coming from Iran result in lower oil prices?

We see that Russia is now keeping foreign exchange reserves in RMB, replacing the USD and EUR to some degree.

Plus we expect the imminent agreement of Saudi Arabia to be paid by China in RMB.

Why wouldn't Iran also accept RMB, given that it's USD/EUR were previously frozen.

That is one effect.
 

Abominable

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Thats true. Would Iran really trust the West again. Whoever wins 2024 could break the deal again. What guarantee does Iran have this time.

As for Russia, wouldn't increased global supply coming from Iran result in lower oil prices?
It depends. If Iran started selling oil onto the international market it should have the effect of lowering oil prices. That's why when the war broke out the west was so keen to restart the Iran nuclear deal.

However it assumes all oil producing nations will compete with each other. If they form a cartel they should be able to maintain high prices for the next few years. That's why we've seen so much diplomacy between the middle east and Russia/China. For this to work everyone needs to be on board.
 

henrik

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We see that Russia is now keeping foreign exchange reserves in RMB, replacing the USD and EUR to some degree.

Plus we expect the imminent agreement of Saudi Arabia to be paid by China in RMB.

Why wouldn't Iran also accept RMB, given that it's USD/EUR were previously frozen.

That is one effect.

Is the Chinese President visiting Saudi Arabia soon?
 

pmc

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—Russia is more dependent on oil becoming a Petrostate if it hasn’t already. Meanwhile Deindustrialization is actually happening in other important sectors.

—Russian Central Bank expects an 8-10% drop in GDP this year. Year on year GDP dropped 4% already in the 2nd quarter. Consumer demand dropped by more than 10%. Manufacturing slumped by 4%. Third quarter 2022 is likely to be even worse.

—Putin has nothing to smile about except oil prices. Even here he’s likely to face competition as the Iran Nuclear Deal is likely to be signed; opening up another source of Oil for Europe.
i wouldnt trust any kind of numbers economic or otherwise coming out from Russia not just recent but even older. As government have incentive making currency and stock markets up and down depend on circumstances. but Russia economic power is much more than what statistics shows and that increase further due to synergies with Arabic world. you have to look at circumstantial evidence over the years to properly analyze it. traditional measures cannot capture it.
The same day bids opening of FIFA where Russia and Qatar won host of 2018 and 2022.
The reception of Russian delegation at Saudi King funeral in 2015 at the time it felt like they know each other for ages.
When Toyota Launched LC300 land cruiser launched in Middleast last year. A youtube video showed up in Russian language with large number of these vehicles parked at vehicle storage site (infact the most LC300 parked at one place) in Kazakhstan same day as grand show in big market of Middleast.

here recent example of out of normal Tokayev meeting Putin in Sochi. This kind of meeting you only do when you know person well and that person is not dumb that need help of delegation to analyze information.

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Andy1974

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The EU is sanctioning Russian seaborne oil in December.
Iran (and Venezuela) can replace that oil, once the nuclear deal is signed.
Russia will build much of the new refining equipment needed by Iran.

Result: Nuclear deal signed, EU dependent on Iran. Cheap oil to China. Russia economy boosted.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The EU is sanctioning Russian seaborne oil in December.
Iran (and Venezuela) can replace that oil, once the nuclear deal is signed.
Russia will build much of the new refining equipment needed by Iran.

Result: Nuclear deal signed, EU dependent on Iran. Cheap oil to China. Russia economy boosted.
Where is a handy source for Joe Tzu memes?
 
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