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NiuBiDaRen

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No wonder Lee Kuan Yew said Singapore should not have an Indian Prime Minister.

Singapore’s Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan said the “sky is the limit” between India and ASEAN.

Singapore and India are really corrupting each other here. For all the shit in Hong Kong and Taiwan, my friends in Hong Kong and Taiwan aren't flooded with a bunch of rich, entitled, arrogant, and haughty Indian immigrants.
 

Helius

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Don't get riled up about this. Countries do that out of diplomatic courtesy all the time. There is nothing degrading or subservient about it.

Asking another country to pass a message is not the same as telling the country how to act. The country receiving the message fully understand it is from the originating country and not the position of the courier country.

The message can be written or verbal. If the message is verbal and insulting or threatening to the receiving country, the courier country can always reject it.
Proper diplomatic courtesy between two antagonising powers in the face of incompatible political agendas, let alone during normal course of diplomacy, would be the 'exchanging of views' where either side lays out their positions and, if the US side so chooses, to express to the Chinese side their viewpoints and concerns vis-a-vis China and Russia... and their 'expectations' from either party, if the US side wishes to be so bold.

Yang, for his part is of course well within rights to take everything Sullivan says 'under advisement'. Sullivan can make requests and demands all he wants, just like Yang can vice versa.

What is not appropriate (not suggesting that's actually what had happened, as we simply don't know) is the diplomatic faux pas of the US expecting China to relay at the leadership level communique not meant for Chinese leadership, but the head of state of another country.

This is essentially Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor, senior aide and assistant to the Executive Office of the President of the United States, "asking" Xi Jinping, President of the People's Republic of China and General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, to pass a note to Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, President of the Russian Federation and Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, effectively reducing this affair to one where the leader of China mediates between the US President's aide and the leader of Russia. So yes, this would be absolutely degrading and wholly against diplomatic protocol.


This isn't the first time the Yanks have pulled this stunt. Remember when Lloyd Austin requested repeatedly for months to meet with Xu Qiliang, head of the Central Military Commission, and was denied repeatedly?

Proper protocol for the US Secretary of Defense is to deal with his actual counterpart, the Minister of National Defence i.e. Wei Fenghe, not the higher-ranking Chairman of the CMC (or rather Vice-Chairman since the Chairman is Xi Jinping) whose counterpart is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

All of Austin's predecessors had followed this most basic norm, but not my man Lloyd. So against protocol, he naturally had the door soundly shut in his face -

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And who did he get to speak with finally? Minister/General Wei after all -

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And who did he get to met at the Shangri-La forum? Minister/General Wei -

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Rettam Stacf

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China, India,Vietnam or even DPRK, any country has a decent relationship with both Russia and Ukraine, doesn’t want to do this. At this point european leaders are like hamsters, running in your cages hard as you can, there’s absolutely no fucking chance to escape this nightmare. This war hurts Americans too, it’s just that they are big enough to take a punch, I can’t say the same for europeans.
I won’t praise your professionalism cuz I have a brain, I would laugh at you cuz I have no mercy.

We can discuss whether China is willing to or whether China should mediate between Russia and Ukraine. But there should not be any doubt from either side of the debate that China is the most effective mediator if she agrees to do so.
 

PeoplesPoster

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The USA seems to be getting hit by natural disasters that almost impossible to fix, I mean China does get hit by these as well don’t get me wrong but certainly no where near as bad and almost certainly nothing China can’t handle with ease. But then again these disasters in the USA didn’t hit hard enough to divert the government away from mucking around in the world so really, these disasters may need to hit harder so that the government might actual feel properly because really they deserve worse. Not to mention, this is yellow stone we are talking about. If the volcano really goes off there, we are talk about a disaster that could one shot the USA hard enough that just think about fighting another war isn’t going to be possible ever again, so they had better be careful not to piss the heavens off which everyone here knows is simply impossible given how stupid and evil the US government is.
Might not want to go around saying that and jinxing ourselves. Last time China had a major earthquake more than 80,000 people died. Natural disasters don't care about politics or national boundaries.
 

Abominable

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We can discuss whether China is willing to or whether China should mediate between Russia and Ukraine. But there should not be any doubt from either side of the debate that China is the most effective mediator if she agrees to do so.
Mediator is the wrong word and is being used as a euphemism.

Can China force Russia to reduce some of it's demands? Yes. Does it serves China's interests in any way? Absolutely not.
 

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India faces wave of widening protests​

Furious demonstrators have torched a government building over the new military recruitment system

The outrage comes after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government announced an overhaul of the recruitment process for India’s 1.38 million-strong army, aiming to bring down the average age of military personnel and reduce government expenses.

Under the new system, dubbed ‘Agnipath’(Path of Fire), men and women between the ages of 17-and-a-half and 21 will be eligible to join India’s armed forces only for a four-year tenure, and only one in four recruits will be allowed to come back to serve on a permanent basis.

The old system, however, allowed youths between 16-and-a-half and 21 to enroll in the army for a minimum tenure of 15 years and also awarded them a pension for their service. For this reason, serving in the army was seen as an attractive career path for many youths as it provided a stable salary and public housing.

From enrolling for a military career of 15 years and a pension. Now downgraded to 4 year service and 25% chance for a military career with nothing for the other 75%.

Modi doing this to reduce military size and government spending. Looks more like India is broke and this is not a modernization attempt.
 

emblem21

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Might not want to go around saying that and jinxing ourselves. Last time China had a major earthquake more than 80,000 people died. Natural disasters don't care about politics or national boundaries.
Very true, but do note that both countries have a very different methodology when dealing with these kind of crisis though. We could be seeing forces at work that no amount of woke is going to be enough to handle so in reality, the USA ought to stop fooling around and start handling its own problems or else if one of these crisis really does go off, well as I said before, it would simply be too late
 

GodRektsNoobs

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Biden should just hold an auction of the remaining continents to at least salvage something
South America will inevitably tilt away from US in one form or another, leftist government or not. Honestly, it doesn't even matter who's in charge in South America, as long as it's not a US stooge. Even under Bolsonaro, PetroChina got a good stake in Brazilian offshore oilfield, and Huawei won its biggest 5G contract in South America. US is all rhetoric and no substance.
 
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