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Helius

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Even though there'd been lengthy discussions about this in the Winter Olympics thread already, I think it bears pointing out that Eileen Gu is not a Chinese citizen, as she was not born in China.

She's a Chinese national, as inherited from her mother who was born in Beijing. So her mother is a Chinese citizen, but not Eileen herself, who is a US citizen for having been born in the US.

Another way to make sense of this distinction - All citizens are nationals, but not all nationals are citizens.

Generally speaking you are not a citizen if you were born in a different country, unless by naturalisation. So for Eileen to become a Chinese citizen she'd have to settle in China continuously for a number of years, say, 7 years, before she can apply to become one.


As for the matter of dual citizenship/nationality in China, Chinese immigration laws do not recognise dual nationality. The laws DO NOT explicitly require foreign nationals to renounce their foreign nationalities in order to become Chinese nationals.

What it means in practice for Eileen is that if she chooses to exercise her status as a Chinese national, even though she's also a US citizen, whenever she steps foot into China and presents her Chinese passport, Chinese immigration would simply ignore/disregard her American citizenship.

So as long as she's on Chinese soil, she would be treated the same as any Chinese citizen/national, meaning she can keep her US citizen status and US passport all she wants, but she cannot seek consular services or diplomatic protection from the American embassies in China, as her American citizenship is effectively "lost"/null in the eyes of Chinese law.


All that is to say, this whole concept of "renouncing" foreign citizenship/nationality vis-a-vis Chinese citizenship/nationality is a general misconception.

It is true you can renounce your foreign citizenship proper, as is often the case with people not wanting to be taxed twice from incomes earned for having multiple nationalities, but in China's case it is entirely voluntary and not a rule. The only rule, to reiterate, is that if you're a Chinese national, you shall be treated as such.
 

KYli

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The US, however, should take a look at its own history and reality, as the epicenter of human trafficking and forced labor, said Zhao.

For instance, nearly 100,000 people are trafficked from outside the US for forced labor each year, and at least 500,000 people are currently enslaved in the country, Zhao noted. A large number of child laborers are still in the US working in agriculture, with many children working from the age of eight, according to Zhao.
 

jwnz

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Even though there'd been lengthy discussions about this in the Winter Olympics thread already, I think it bears pointing out that Eileen Gu is not a Chinese citizen, as she was not born in China.

She's a Chinese national, as inherited from her mother who was born in Beijing. So her mother is a Chinese citizen, but not Eileen herself, who is a US citizen for having been born in the US.

Another way to make sense of this distinction - All citizens are nationals, but not all nationals are citizens.

Generally speaking you are not a citizen if you were born in a different country, unless by naturalisation. So for Eileen to become a Chinese citizen she'd have to settle in China continuously for a number of years, say, 7 years, before she can apply to become one.


As for the matter of dual citizenship/nationality in China, Chinese immigration laws do not recognise dual nationality. The laws DO NOT explicitly require foreign nationals to renounce their foreign nationalities in order to become Chinese nationals.

What it means in practice for Eileen is that if she chooses to exercise her status as a Chinese national, even though she's also a US citizen, whenever she steps foot into China and presents her Chinese passport, Chinese immigration would simply ignore/disregard her American citizenship.

So as long as she's on Chinese soil, she would be treated the same as any Chinese citizen/national, meaning she can keep her US citizen status and US passport all she wants, but she cannot seek consular services or diplomatic protection from the American embassies in China, as her American citizenship is effectively "lost"/null in the eyes of Chinese law.


All that is to say, this whole concept of "renouncing" foreign citizenship/nationality vis-a-vis Chinese citizenship/nationality is a general misconception.

It is true you can renounce your foreign citizenship proper, as is often the case with people not wanting to be taxed twice from incomes earned for having multiple nationalities, but in China's case it is entirely voluntary and not a rule. The only rule, to reiterate, is that if you're a Chinese national, you shall be treated as such.
I believe likewise she could also enter into China using her US passport and be treated as a visiting foreigner.
 

antiterror13

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The US, however, should take a look at its own history and reality, as the epicenter of human trafficking and forced labor, said Zhao.

For instance, nearly 100,000 people are trafficked from outside the US for forced labor each year, and at least 500,000 people are currently enslaved in the country, Zhao noted. A large number of child laborers are still in the US working in agriculture, with many children working from the age of eight, according to Zhao.


but but but , no problem here because we are democratic country ...... China always bad because we say so :rolleyes:

The US is not democratic, but more like plutocratic
 
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Rettam Stacf

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Russia doesn't need to accept this at all. The Spanish government pays the difference. The price cap is internal. To Russia it doesn't matter, Spain can cap gas to be free, all it means is that Spanish government foots the entire bill.

Spain must be a good learner from the US.

US imposed tariffs on Chinese imports and declare "trade war is easy to win", even though it is the American consumers who ended up paying for the tariff.

Spain freezes the price of gasoline and declare a win over Russian oil import, even though it is the Spanish government (i.e. Spanish tax payers) who has to foot the difference.

......... Second Verse, Same as the First.
 
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My thought of Gu Ailing promoting Salt Lake city.

People need to get rid of the idea of "either you are with me, or against me". We know who promoted that idea, we know how evil that idea is.

Gu Ailing is a Chinese citizen, BUT she is also born and grown up in the US. She call US home, she has her friends and neighbours there. Put ourselves in her place, can any of us say that we dislike our own friends who care and love us? Nobody can do that. When our friends ask us to do something good for the community, will any of us refuse? No. So she just did that for her neighbourhood, for her friends. A lot of us oversea Chinese have been living in foreign countries for a long time, we all have our good connections. Unless there is some legal hindrance, we should all be willing to do something good for our second home. Olympic isn't national confrontation.

One can be a Chinese Patriot and still love and promote Salt Lake City. Nothing wrong with that. Is there a requirement for US Citizenship and anti-China bias to help promote Salt Lake City in the Olympics? Don't think so. I wonder why we are even discussing this as a failure on anyone.
 

FriedButter

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Bulletproof backpacks sales soar after the latest school shooting. I think you would need bulletproof body armor and helmet to drastically increase the survival rate of children.
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They are only somewhat useful if they use it to run away.

Go turtle in a corner and see what happens next as the footsteps get closer.
 
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