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GumNaam

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No. Our relationship with Pakistan is of strategic importance. In addition, arming up Pakistan is in China's interests. Now regarding whats happening domestically in Pakistan, that's for China's diplomatic corps to handle
I'm afraid you don't understand. I'm sad to say that our generals are proving to be a very unreliable strategic partner for China when China has proven to be a tried and true partner...think about it; take latest weaponry from China BUT being heavily vested in washington with plans to retire in aemerica or europe...that's a recipe for disaster for China because they will only take from China what they want but not hold up their end of the bargain with China...unless China forces them to choose a camp BEFORE resuming any type of military strategic partnership. people of Pakistan are very strongly aligned with China and have no interest in any partnership of any sort with amreica except maybe trade AT BEST. but unfortunately our generals don't see eye to eye with the people. It would serve China's security and national interests well to force these generals to see eye to eye with the people of Pakistan and choose a side...they need to be given a clear message that they will not get any shiny new toys to fight their enemies with until and unless they kick amerika to the kurb.
 

j17wang

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Yes. DJI is a big company which has lot of customers in the West

Russia should go for one of the small gazillion drone makers in China, invest in it, and have it produce drones for the Russian market.

TBH, let the west buy the drones Ukraine needs. Alot of western civilians are already sending donations of DJI drones to Ukraine. As for Russia, they know they can't be seen using DJI drones, so they might as well just buy off-label unmarked drones "off the back of a truck".
 

B.I.B.

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The problem with their doctrine is all US allies except a few are stagnant economies. The UK and Japan are basically no growth economies. So is most of Western Europe. And even the US itself is growing significantly slower than the developing world's average. This guarantees a decline of power in long term regardless of what they do.
EU/UK projected growth for 2022 is expected to be 4% and 3.8% respectively. While down on 21, it still sounds ok to me.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The danger is the use of Nukes if you push Russia into a corner. Have to leave some kind of off ramp for Russia (maybe internal coup against Putin).

Because in many ways, Russia already lost this war. It failed to take Kyiv. NATO is again expanding. Western military assets will likely be placed in western Ukraine when this is all over.
Why do you keep insisting that Russian military objective was to take over Kiev? Did Putin ever announced such thing during his speech when the so-called "special operations" started.

Putin maybe all the negative things his worst critics say he is but one thing he's not is mentally deranged to assume that invading or capturing a country at least 2 or 3 times the size of Iraq, a country with a sizable military that's also been trained by U.S. led NATO for 8 years with a meagre "invasion force" of about 150,000 troops is not based on facts but conjecture.
 

Coalescence

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Why do you keep insisting that Russian military objective was to take over Kiev? Did Putin ever announced such thing during his speech when the so-called "special operations" started.

Putin maybe all the negative things his worst critics say he is but one thing he's not is mentally deranged to assume that invading or capturing a country at least 2 or 3 times the size of Iraq, a country with a sizable military that's also been trained by U.S. led NATO for 8 years with a meagre "invasion force" of about 150,000 troops is not based on facts but conjecture.
Add to that narrative that they're supposed to take Kiev "under 2-3 days", now they are pushing out Russia must defeat the entirety of Donbass and destroy all the Ukrainian military on the East of Ukraine before Victory day at May 9, completely unreasonable expectations and objectives pushed on Russia. The thing is its one of US goals to make Russia's military look with weak for their propaganda campaign, by making dumb expectations like this then when it doesn't get met, they'll accuse of them being weak or Ukraine being strong enough to fend them off.
 

Petrolicious88

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Why do you keep insisting that Russian military objective was to take over Kiev? Did Putin ever announced such thing during his speech when the so-called "special operations" started.

Putin maybe all the negative things his worst critics say he is but one thing he's not is mentally deranged to assume that invading or capturing a country at least 2 or 3 times the size of Iraq, a country with a sizable military that's also been trained by U.S. led NATO for 8 years with a meagre "invasion force" of about 150,000 troops is not based on facts but conjecture.
What exactly were his military and political objectives. To demilitarize, to de-nazify ukraine? “Special military” operation to shock and awe Ukraine into capitulation? To stop the expansion of NATO? Not sure if he achieved any of that. Let’s call a spade a spade.

But a possible win for Putin is eventual, internal EU division due to economic interests, i.e Russian gas/oil, despite Macron’s recent reelection.
 
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Equation

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What exactly were his military and political objectives. To demilitarize, to de-nazify ukraine? “Special military” operation to shock and awe Ukraine into capitulation? To stop the expansion of NATO? Not sure if he achieved any of that. Let’s call a spade a spade.

But a possible win for Putin is eventual, internal EU division due to economic interests, i.e Russian gas/oil, despite Macron’s recent reelection.

To prove that NATO and the West will NOT go to war with Russia for Ukraine. The longer this conflict drags on the more the rest of the world sees how much the West has no balls to go toe to toe against a near foe militarily for something they see as trivial as Ukraine. Now imagine a Taiwan straight incident? That's the reason why many western media and politics has been trying desperately to get China to abide to them by any means necessary.
 
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