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That tweet from him also (smartly or not) doesnt mention how Pakistan's security services themselves are reluctant to deal with the terrorist elements and their supporters in the country.

There is open social media support from many people about terrorist activities but the security agencies refuse to deal with them like any other normal country would do.
The issue is systemic, and Hu's "proposal" is not even qualified to be called a band-aid solution
1. Pakistan has low level support/sympathy for BLA attacks against Chinese.
2. Pakistan wants to eliminate BLA but is incompetent/lacks the resources or political ability to do so.
3. Pakistan has eliminated domestic support, but foreign support via "sleeper cells" allow sporadic attacks to continue.

I don't think the first is true as it's a separatist movement. Most of the BLA actions seem to be directed against military/paramilitary forces there. I hope the CPC take this seriously and get to the bottom of who's behind these attacks. If Chinese can't live in peace in countries bordering China what will happen in places like Africa or South America?
 

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China-Solomons pact: US says lack of transparency is big concern about security agreement​

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, assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs, said the US did not ask countries to choose between the United States and China, but instead hoped all countries could make their own decisions free from coercion.

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, led by National Security Council Indo-Pacific Coordinator Kurt Campbell, visited the Solomon Islands on Friday, days after Honiara confirmed it had signed a security agreement with Beijing. No details of the pact have been officially released by either party.

Kritenbrink said that during the meeting between US officials and the Solomon Islands Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare, the US said it would have “significant concerns” and would respond naturally if there were moves to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power projection capabilities or a military installation.

The purpose of the trip was to “communicate in a very candid way the concerns that we have about the security agreement that they concluded with China”, he said, adding that the Solomon Islands had given assurances there would be no such military base.

“We’ve indicated that we will continue to monitor the situation closely and continue to engage with them going forward.” He did not offer details of what the US would do if a military base was built in the Solomons. The “complete lack of transparency behind this agreement” was the fundamental concern, Kritenbrink said.

“What precisely are the motivations behind the agreement? What exactly are China’s objectives? “I think they’re completely unclear because this agreement has not been scrutinised or viewed or subject to any kind of consultation or approval process by anyone else,” Kritenbrink said.

While details of the agreement have not been released, a draft of the deal – leaked in March by political opponents of Sogavare – suggested the Solomons would allow China’s navy to dock in the islands and for Beijing to deploy its police and armed forces there.

Sogavare has said the deal would allow Chinese police to protect Chinese-financed infrastructure projects after violence erupted in his country late last year between protesters and police, causing millions of dollars in damage.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said on Monday that speculation that China would build a military base in the Solomon Islands was “pure disinformation fabricated by a handful of people who harbour ulterior motives”. In 2019, the island nation broke diplomatic ties with Taiwan and recognised Beijing.

Regarding Taiwan, Kritenbrink said the US would continue to advocate for “friends” in the region to seek deeper ties with Taiwan, which he called a leading democracy and a critical economic and security partner.

“The United States is not in the business of asking countries to choose between the United States and China. But … we want all countries to have choices and have say over their own sovereignty and the ability to make their own decisions without coercion,” he said.

He said the US had outlined tangible benefits for countries in the region that worked with the US on a range of issues around economic trade and tackling global challenges – including climate change and Covid-19 – and will move forward in that way.

Kritenbrink said the US’ relationship with the Solomon Islands was “bigger than this security agreement”. “Our commitment to the region is strong and enduring,” he said, adding that there were signs of strong demand in the region for greater US engagement. He said the US would continue to respond to those demand signals in robust ways.

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A collection of good reactions that I agree with copy pasted from several readers from SCMP..

'Reaction 1: A lack of transparency? US and Australia feel France pain now?'

'Reaction 2: Now tell me how different is the US position to that of Putin's? Shameful that high level US officials deem it necessary to bully and threaten to invade a tiny impoverished, independent nation of Solomon Islands. Not a single US main street media is highlighting this double standard by the US. "....and the US will respond to any attempt by Beijing to establish a military presence in the Pacific island country, a senior US official said on Tuesday."

'Reaction 3: Who is this bozo to tell the Solomon Islands that its security agreement with China "lacks transparency"? Transparency to whom? The US? The Solomon PM answers to his people, not the US. Another w country showing condescenion to a non-w country. "Solomon Islands prime minister says foreign criticism of China security deal ‘very insulting’" - Gurdian.

'Reaction 4: US does not ask countries to choose between the US and China but hopes they can decide while free from coercion....... that is coersion from US to Solomon Island'

'Reaction 5: "Daniel Kritenbrink says US does not ask countries to choose between the US and China but hopes they can decide while free from coercion" ... absolutely laughable statement! In the meantime, the US is threatening sanctions (and worse) against India and China for buying energy from Russia.'

'Reaction 6: Hahaha...If this is the best excuse that US could come up with, lack of transparency, to bully a tiny island country Solomon, you know US was caught red-faced. All others, like Australia, Japan, etc...are just extras, useless.'

'Reaction 7: There was a great transparency in the AUKUS deal. Just ask the French!'

'Reaction 8: It is still the same old story - the USA needs to know everything( read transparency) from you, but the USA would not let you know everything(read national security)about itself.'
 

Bellum_Romanum

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That tweet from him also (smartly or not) doesnt mention how Pakistan's security services themselves are reluctant to deal with the terrorist elements and their supporters in the country.

There is open social media support from many people about terrorist activities but the security agencies refuse to deal with them like any other normal country would do.
The issue is systemic, and Hu's "proposal" is not even qualified to be called a band-aid solution
Hu is just upset, and angry. I can't blame him for tweeting what he posted. He'll calm down soon enough. But his attitude, anger isn't merely confined to people like him, in fact there's a growing loud voice within that country (China) for it to exercise it's military strength because some feels that the only way for China to be respected and feared is to showcase it's military prowess.
 

Overbom

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fact there's a growing loud voice within that country (China) for it to exercise it's military strength because some feels that the only way for China to be respected and feared is to showcase it's military prowess.
With 1.3% military spending per GDP, you can't project power easily.
Also, the Taiwan issue is still unresolved which means that we have an unsinkable US carrier right next to us.

Finally and most importantly, China needs to develop more economic and tech power.

With 1.3% military spending you are neither feared or respected. Up that to 2.0% and then we talk
 

Petrolicious88

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Don't you think your pronouncement is a tad overblown? I mean, what choice did Russia have in confronting a strategic dilemma with regards to Ukraine. There are some people that has this misguided persistent thinking that if only Russia wasn't under the thumb of Putin the war with Ukraine wouldn't have happened, but the belief in that premise is fiction and wrong. The right assumptions to be made is that if only NATO didn't expand, cheated Russia into eastward expansion of NATO especially announcing in 2008 that Ukraine would be inducted into the organization then war wouldn't have materialize. And to suggest that only Putin could have made the invasion possible is to totally ignore the politics, and history of Russia. No self-respecting proud Russian leader elected or not can ever allow his/her country to be surrounded by her enemies let alone close to it's doorstep, and most especially within a country whom it shared long historical, cultural, and religious ties.

As for Sweden, and Findland joining NATO we can't pretend that their possible inclusion weren't in the works for a long time and was just looking for a perfect fait accompli to enact this plan.

Russia has been pushed on all directions left with little to no choice in front of them taking the actions it took against Ukraine is the most viable of all the least viable solution it could find. What's the alternative? To cower, and prostrate themselves back to the West as they had done back in the 90's? And then to be used as a cannon fodder against China as the new baby bear for American interest.

Putin may have overestimated his troops ability in defeating the Ukrainian military quickly and decisively as suggested by a lot of military experts resulting into the unnecessary loss of military manpower and equipments, not to mention severely underestimating the resolve and economic punishments that the entire collective west have exacted against Russia. I just don't see what he could have done differently strategically to avoid this collision with the West. His country was and is economically weak, and uncompetitive minus the strength of Russian commodities, relies on military exports, reliant on the institutions of diplomatic power left behind by the USSR vis-a-vis Founding member of the U.N. other than their almost 7,000 nukes that's all they got.

@Overbom am I missing something here? If you were in Putin’s position what would you have done differently that would have avoided this catastrophe as you put it. And would the actions you propose guarantee that the outcome would not have arrive just the same?
You always have a choice. Putin is surrounded by “yes men” that fed him bad information.

Knowing what he knows now, I doubt Putin would have made the same moves. Up to 300 Russian officers are KIA including a few generals. How does Russia win this war and come out on top. US is committed to move “heaven and earth” to ensure this war will drag on for years. And they are using Russia’s own money to do it too.
 
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gelgoog

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You always have a choice. Putin is surrounded by “yes men” that fed him bad information.

Knowing what he knows now, I doubt Putin would have made the same moves. Up to 300 Russian officers are KIA including a few generals. How does Russia win this war and come out on top. US is committed to move “heaven and earth” to ensure this war will drag on for years. And they are using Russia’s own money to do it too.
Same filtration process happened in WW2. Out with the incompetent and in with the competent.
I also think you underestimate the amount of officers the Russians have.
And since the Russians sent the professional force of course the force will be heavy with officers.
A lot of the troops had experience in Syria. But I doubt all of them had it. And this is a whole different ballgame.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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China-Solomons pact: US says lack of transparency is big concern about security agreement​

China’s
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with the Solomon Islands shows a “complete lack of transparency”, and the US will respond to any attempt by Beijing to establish a military presence in the
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, a senior US official said on Tuesday.

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, assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs, said the US did not ask countries to choose between the United States and China, but instead hoped all countries could make their own decisions free from coercion.

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, led by National Security Council Indo-Pacific Coordinator Kurt Campbell, visited the Solomon Islands on Friday, days after Honiara confirmed it had signed a security agreement with Beijing. No details of the pact have been officially released by either party.

Kritenbrink said that during the meeting between US officials and the Solomon Islands Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare, the US said it would have “significant concerns” and would respond naturally if there were moves to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power projection capabilities or a military installation.

The purpose of the trip was to “communicate in a very candid way the concerns that we have about the security agreement that they concluded with China”, he said, adding that the Solomon Islands had given assurances there would be no such military base.

“We’ve indicated that we will continue to monitor the situation closely and continue to engage with them going forward.” He did not offer details of what the US would do if a military base was built in the Solomons. The “complete lack of transparency behind this agreement” was the fundamental concern, Kritenbrink said.

“What precisely are the motivations behind the agreement? What exactly are China’s objectives? “I think they’re completely unclear because this agreement has not been scrutinised or viewed or subject to any kind of consultation or approval process by anyone else,” Kritenbrink said.

While details of the agreement have not been released, a draft of the deal – leaked in March by political opponents of Sogavare – suggested the Solomons would allow China’s navy to dock in the islands and for Beijing to deploy its police and armed forces there.

Sogavare has said the deal would allow Chinese police to protect Chinese-financed infrastructure projects after violence erupted in his country late last year between protesters and police, causing millions of dollars in damage.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said on Monday that speculation that China would build a military base in the Solomon Islands was “pure disinformation fabricated by a handful of people who harbour ulterior motives”. In 2019, the island nation broke diplomatic ties with Taiwan and recognised Beijing.

Regarding Taiwan, Kritenbrink said the US would continue to advocate for “friends” in the region to seek deeper ties with Taiwan, which he called a leading democracy and a critical economic and security partner.

“The United States is not in the business of asking countries to choose between the United States and China. But … we want all countries to have choices and have say over their own sovereignty and the ability to make their own decisions without coercion,” he said.

He said the US had outlined tangible benefits for countries in the region that worked with the US on a range of issues around economic trade and tackling global challenges – including climate change and Covid-19 – and will move forward in that way.

Kritenbrink said the US’ relationship with the Solomon Islands was “bigger than this security agreement”. “Our commitment to the region is strong and enduring,” he said, adding that there were signs of strong demand in the region for greater US engagement. He said the US would continue to respond to those demand signals in robust ways.

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A collection of good reactions that I agree with copy pasted from several readers from SCMP..

'Reaction 1: A lack of transparency? US and Australia feel France pain now?'

'Reaction 2: Now tell me how different is the US position to that of Putin's? Shameful that high level US officials deem it necessary to bully and threaten to invade a tiny impoverished, independent nation of Solomon Islands. Not a single US main street media is highlighting this double standard by the US. "....and the US will respond to any attempt by Beijing to establish a military presence in the Pacific island country, a senior US official said on Tuesday."

'Reaction 3: Who is this bozo to tell the Solomon Islands that its security agreement with China "lacks transparency"? Transparency to whom? The US? The Solomon PM answers to his people, not the US. Another w country showing condescenion to a non-w country. "Solomon Islands prime minister says foreign criticism of China security deal ‘very insulting’" - Gurdian.

'Reaction 4: US does not ask countries to choose between the US and China but hopes they can decide while free from coercion....... that is coersion from US to Solomon Island'

'Reaction 5: "Daniel Kritenbrink says US does not ask countries to choose between the US and China but hopes they can decide while free from coercion" ... absolutely laughable statement! In the meantime, the US is threatening sanctions (and worse) against India and China for buying energy from Russia.'

'Reaction 6: Hahaha...If this is the best excuse that US could come up with, lack of transparency, to bully a tiny island country Solomon, you know US was caught red-faced. All others, like Australia, Japan, etc...are just extras, useless.'

'Reaction 7: There was a great transparency in the AUKUS deal. Just ask the French!'

'Reaction 8: It is still the same old story - the USA needs to know everything( read transparency) from you, but the USA would not let you know everything(read national security)about itself.'
Muh "Transparency" what a bleeping joke. Does China knows the extent of the military details between Thailand and U.S.; Philippines-U.S.; Singapore-U.S. Vietnam-U.S. South Korea-U.S. etc....and if China asked the U.S. for details would it entertain such request? Lol that would be a BIG FAT NO!!

If I was China, I would actually fulfill American insecurities by indeed building a military base in that island and say what's up, come and get some. The U.S. is bazillion miles away from that tiny island whereas China's geographical proximity to the island is a lot closer.
 

manqiangrexue

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With 1.3% military spending per GDP, you can't project power easily.
Also, the Taiwan issue is still unresolved which means that we have an unsinkable US carrier right next to us.

With 1.3% military spending you are neither feared or respected. Up that to 2.0% and then we talk
I think you are overly fixated on a rather trivial number. China's military growth is constrained mostly by the speed of technological progress, not cash. It is the fastest growing military in the world, with major surface combatants being launched like dumplings being dropped into the water; do not be fooled by some small published number into thinking that it is anemic by any measure. There is no real "budget" so to say, rather, if there is a good use for money, it is given. The budget is a number produced based on a tradition of appearing transparent and it is always set to a nice low number. China is the most feared nation by all Western countries; they are not allowed by the US to show respect but deep inside, it is not possible to fear a foe without respecting him. They don't care about any specific numbers 1.3%, 2.0%, etc... Russia and North Korea all devote a higher percentage of their GDP to military spending but none are feared by the West as much as China.
Finally and most importantly, China needs to develop more economic and tech power.
Of course, in progress as always.
 
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Even if Musk's Twitter rebuffs censorship requests from authoritarian regimes, it could make other concessions. As Bloomberg's Brad Stone
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, Twitter has had a policy of labeling state-run media organizations and government accounts, and not promoting them in recommendations. "The Chinese government surely hates these restrictions," Stone wrote.

You mean we can no longer mark
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