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Overbom

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The thing is, you don't make policy decisions based on the 'name smears' other party may makes against you. You do what is right for the American people, then present facts to back up your decision.


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You can easily fight using facts against low-level smears. Low-level smears might work for low-information voters, but vast majority of people can be swayed using facts and the reality of inflation, which can easily be linked to tariffs.
Vast majority of people are stupid and easily manipulated, so I guarantee you that Republicans' nicknames of Biden would stick if he dropped the tariffs.

Which is also why Biden keeps the tariffs even when his own secretary of commerce has admitted they don't work
 

Phead128

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Vast majority of people are stupid and easily manipulated,
Maybe against low-information voters, yes. However, if you present the facts of how the trade war is a unmitigated disaster, then you can override low-level smears amongst the more educated voter base that watch the presidential debates. The media reports on presidential debates too, so all Biden needs is a strong one-line zinger about trade war failure to be viral.
so I guarantee you that Republicans' nicknames of Biden would stick if he dropped the tariffs.
Right, just like calling "Beijing Biden" help Trump win the 2020 election. It's been tried, it failed. You can't exclusively rely on low-level smears.
Which is also why Biden keeps the tariffs even when his own secretary of commerce has admitted they don't work
Not sure if you forgot about partial lifting of tariffs.

Literally last month:

US lifts Trump-era tariffs on 352 Chinese products​

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daifo

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Maybe against low-information voters, yes. However, if you present the facts of how the trade war is a unmitigated disaster, then you can override low-level smears amongst the more educated voter base that watch the presidential debates. The media reports on presidential debates too, so all Biden needs is a strong one-line zinger about trade war failure to be viral.

Right, just like calling "Beijing Biden" help Trump win the 2020 election. It's been tried, it failed. You can't exclusively rely on low-level smears.

Not sure if you forgot about partial lifting of tariffs.

Literally last month:

US lifts Trump-era tariffs on 352 Chinese products​

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It took a pandemic, economic downturn, completely erratic behavior like "drink some bleach" , and a 3 month race riot in the last 8 months of his administration for Trump to barely lose. I say barely because the votes in some important/swing states were actually very close.

Most people don't know what they are voting for anyways... they really do vote for slogans.
 
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Century2030

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Sadly, it's a possibility. In hindsight, China should have developed and used its own submarine engines in the contract deal. The days where western companies are willing/allowed to sell their high end tech products to China are over. Now Chinese companies need to be self-sufficient especially in the critical tech sector..
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Yet somehow, China's military spending per GDP is still stuck at about 1.3-5%.
Watch how a war happens and we get caught with our pants down

Quadruple J-20 production
Further increase warships/subs production
Quadruple missile production
Accelerate nuclear warheads build up

History shows that there a lot of complaints about military spending but when sht hits the fan you will thank your lucky stars about getting ready militarily. If anyone seriously thinks that the 2020-2030 is 100% going to be peaceful then I got a nice bridge ready to sell him. military spending per gdp should reach 2% ASAP
Do you think you know something the NPC (the body that sets China's military budget) doesn't? If so, what is it?
 

FriedButter

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Sadly, it's a possibility. In hindsight, China should have developed and used its own submarine engines in the contract deal. The days where western companies are willing/allowed to sell their high end tech products to China are over. Now Chinese companies need to be self-sufficient especially in the critical tech sector..

We don't know the exact details but Thailand is the one who wanted a Chinese sub with German engines. China had offered two alternative but Thailand refused to take either of them.

Can’t really tell if Thailand didn’t like Chinese engines or they didn’t want to use Chinese engines for security purposes.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Maybe against low-information voters, yes. However, if you present the facts of how the trade war is a unmitigated disaster, then you can override low-level smears amongst the more educated voter base that watch the presidential debates. The media reports on presidential debates too, so all Biden needs is a strong one-line zinger about trade war failure to be viral.

Right, just like calling "Beijing Biden" help Trump win the 2020 election. It's been tried, it failed. You can't exclusively rely on low-level smears.

Not sure if you forgot about partial lifting of tariffs.

Literally last month:

US lifts Trump-era tariffs on 352 Chinese products​

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Dude, I lived in America for a number of years and am assuming you're in America as well. I can't recall the last time "facts" have persuaded the American voters of "doing or voting for the right reasons" in like ever. Bush Jr. won because of Clinton blow job fatigue with an added helped from the Supreme Court that installed Bush Jr. He then proceeded to invade countries based on LIES but because Americans were acting so insecure after the 9/11 attack they blindly went along with Bush Jr's nonsensical rationale of "better fight them over there than to fight the terrorists in their country" as if the terrorists were going to commision a flight on Terrorists C-5/C-17 and parachute their way into America. That spiel never made any logical sense but the Americans with all their supposed wisdom bought it enough to even re-elect the War Criminal even after finding out their President lied to them!!

Trump was elected because enough Americans have seen their way of life drastically changed for the worst, and not for the better socio-economically. They have seen their lifestyle diminished and seen their jobs essentially shipped to China. Clinton was busy singing and ignoring that pertinent complaints from the average Americans an area that regardless of party affiliation resonated well. I remember when a Carrier plant somewhere in Indiana closed down and was announced by one of the Carrier executive, the workers gathered into the meeting erupted in anger and some immediately declared their intent to vote for Trump. When I saw that clip online I knew right then and there that Hillary was toast, and Trump was going to be the only candidate on the Republican party going to adroitly exploit that sentiment to his advantage.

Voters don't vote based on some super duper "logic" voting is just like any other decisions most human are engaged into doing and that's based on emotions. Logic isn't required, never was never will be. And as a very bright person yourself @Phead128 not to mention a person that's been exposed to Western political system ought to know this fact.
 
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Century2030

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We don't know the exact details but Thailand is the one who wanted a Chinese sub with German engines. China had offered two alternative but Thailand refused to take either of them.

Can’t really tell if Thailand didn’t like Chinese engines or they didn’t want to use Chinese engines for security purposes.
Ok, that's good. BoraTas pointed out that Thailand prefers German engines because their existing vessels use it. So that might be the reason.

EDIT: From a Thai newspaper, this could be a solution:

"According to the source, MTU 396 diesel engines can also be made in China by a licensed manufacturer."

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Bellum_Romanum

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You seem insistent with your rather one sided views that sanctions against China and the negative effects it'll have is simply one sided affair. You also seemed to have the rather confusing views that because Russia is being severely affected by the sanctions will somehow have the same result to China. My answer to that is just LOL while there's no question that China will be negatively affected by the sanctions but similar negative devastating effect will be inflicted to the U.S. and her vassals that's not hyperbole that's simply based on the interdependence/interconnectivity of Chinese economy to western economies.

And am quite surprised that a knowledgeable fellow like you seems to have forgotten the huge disparity of the economic importance and sizes between that of Russia and China. Russia a country who's then economic size was not in the top 5 and whose economic strength was primaly heavily focused on natural commodities, and military hardware exports vs China who's economy is already the largest in the world in PPP terms, the 2nd largest in nominal GDP terms, the largest trading partner of 132 countries in the world versus 67 or so with the U.S. the largest creditor in the world, the largest manufacturing country in the world.

Unless you can show any guaranteed studies with model shown that U.S. economy will not suffer some cataclysmic outcome if they even come close to proceeding with their "super duper sanctions" against China then people like myself are all interested in looking at that data. But that nonsense does not exist, the only pronouncements I keep on hearing, seeing are the arrogance of American political-think tank class that assumes their power is everlasting, in other words their assumptions, assertions aren't back by anything at all other than the Supreme belief in American sloganeering and nothing else.

The mistakes a lot of people who seem to conflate Russia with China shows how arrogance have replaced objective/comparative analysis of power not to mention the existential, historical differences between Ukraine issue to that of Taiwan. The fact that most western leaning "analysts" keep on deluding not only themselves and also their sheeps a.k.a. constituencies will inevitably bring the shocking realization once the Taiwan conflict becomes kinetic. The false bravado, not to mention misplaced confidence that China/PLA/CPC will be prevented from realizing their long held mission is simply going to be shattered.
Here @escobar little Russia is having this effect on the global supply chain with respect to global sales of automobiles which has severe ramifications for all major automobile manufacturers in the world most especially in Germany. A country who's major companies are in the auto industry 2020, the auto sector listed turnover of EUR 379.3 billion – around 20 percent of total German industry revenue. Germany is Europe's number one automotive market, accounting for around 25 percent of all passenger cars manufactured (3.5million) and approximately 20 percent of all new car registrations (2.9million). Moreover, and equally important More than 930,000 people work directly or indirectly in the auto sector, while 40% of Germany's overall research and development (R&D) expenditure is made by the industry.

If the U.S. and the rest of E.U. do follow through with their threats of nuclear sanctions against China (One in three German cars are sold in China. The world's largest car market ) and where German auto makers relied 40% of their revenues in 2020 when Covid-19 struck hard the economies of America and Europe. How then is the engine of E.U. going to survive the incoming destruction of their economic vitality and dynamism?

I really do get confused when people that have been so accustomed to western domination to simply accept this situation as a fact of life ad infinitum. And that somehow the laws of physics don't apply to western countries and only to China.

 
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