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Overbom

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Contrary to West's delusions, this is the number 1 lesson that China will take from this war:
In fact, the CPC will take one major lesson from the Russian invasion of Ukraine: Mild nuclear threats are enough to set the terms of engagement and blunt American intervention. Vladimir Putin’s core success in brandishing merely the scabbard of a nuclear sword over Ukraine will embolden Xi Jinping’s CPC.
10000 (3000 minimum) nuclear warheads and we are ready to go
 

4Runner

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Contrary to West's delusions, this is the number 1 lesson that China will take from this war:

10000 (3000 minimum) nuclear warheads and we are ready to go
To your first point, I think China is getting another data point to confirm what they have known for a while. If anything, there is no illusion in Chinese leadership, from Oct. 1st 1949 to this date. This is yet another reality show to the Chinese leadership, similar to USSR collapsing.

To your second point, maintaining nuclear deterrence is an extremely expensive undertaking, even to countries like China and US. China survived under Chairman Mao when China had a few primitive nukes. There is no reason to believe otherwise, when China can build hundreds of "wind turbines" in a few years.

Besides, as I know so well about Chinese "humility", when PLA says 200, it would very likely have 400 or even 600 in their pockets. So I never worry about lack of deterrence. I only worry about the other side so liberally believing what they believe and starting to bluff China on deterrence.

Here is my judgment. China and US are already at MAD level. One can argue US has far more or advanced. But the essence of MAD is critical threshold. Above that, there is no point of arguing who has what or how many.

So yes, I expect 3000 would be close to the ballpark in the near future. 10000 is absolutely no. Chinese have survived over 4000 years. Chinese have enough wisdom to survive going forward.
 

AssassinsMace

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As what we've seen over soy beans, farmers grow only what they're going to sell meaning they take orders and grow accordingly for the next harvest. The world doesn't grow max crops of everything the Earth is capable of for them to then charge China bought the majority of it hoarding it for themselves. Yes the Chinese must give up their food and starve and sacrifice their lives so Europeans can stay alive. That's the order of things. The Christians claim they're the ones feeding and preventing Chinese from starving. Are they using the same go-to excuse that China is pointing a gun to their heads forcing them to send all the food China is hoarding to divert responsibility from themselves? Why don't the US, Australia, and Canada that complain China is not buying their agricultural goods and instead sending it to all the countries that are starving? Are they not doing it because they're making no money from it...?
 

Overbom

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Bruh.. if you were so stupid to believe that bs you deserved to be robbed

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"I have to say that what happened is
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. This is still not an arrest [of Russia’s foreign currency reserves], but a freeze. … Everyone told us that the probability of that was very low,” Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Central Bank Ksenia Yudaeva said, Kommersant reports.
 

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‘Sanction proof’ Russia showing signs of stress​

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alone accounted for 35-40% of the federal budget revenue and made up 60% of Russian exports. The European Parliament has already passed a
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demanding an embargo on Russian imports of fossil fuels.

As Europe joins the US and Canada, the united West will mount pressure on China – thus eliminating Russia’s hopes that
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can replace those of the West.

How soon this economic shock will result in political change is anybody’s guess. But eventually, Putin will run out of resources to pay his soldiers, propagandists, mercenaries and policemen to keep the increasingly unhappy Russians in check.

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‘Sanction proof’ Russia showing signs of stress​

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alone accounted for 35-40% of the federal budget revenue and made up 60% of Russian exports. The European Parliament has already passed a
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demanding an embargo on Russian imports of fossil fuels.

As Europe joins the US and Canada, the united West will mount pressure on China – thus eliminating Russia’s hopes that
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can replace those of the West.

How soon this economic shock will result in political change is anybody’s guess. But eventually, Putin will run out of resources to pay his soldiers, propagandists, mercenaries and policemen to keep the increasingly unhappy Russians in check.

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Guriev left Russia on 30 April 2013 after a "frightening and humiliating interrogation" as government investigators searched his office and secured 5 years of his emails due to his activities in a panel of economical experts who critically assessed Russian position in the Yukos case. In 2015 Vladimir Putin denied that Guriev's departure "could have been related to any activities of the authorities".
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Neither does the infrastructure to replace the Russian gas imports. And while Russia can plug the gas wells, Europe can't concoct natural gas out of thin air. The most optimum estimates would say it takes 3 years to build a floating LNG terminal. Assuming you had the LNG. And a floating LNG terminal is, guess what, a ship. Which would have to be built. Last I heard there are like 3 available for lease worldwide and 2 of those are already booked. The alternative, making a bog standard LNG terminal, would take 5 years at best estimate.
Russia built the Power of Siberia pipeline to northern China in 5 years. And guess what. There won't be enough LNG to replace entire Russian imports. Especially if the US decides to also pressure Japan and South Korea to drop Russian energy imports for whatever reason.


It depends on length of pipeline and capacity. I doubt they can build the LNG terminals much faster. Let alone in Germany.
They have been studying and issuing licenses to build the LNG terminals for longer than that.

Russia has already done preliminary surveying of the terrain for Soyuz Vostok including in Mongolia. They are currently designing the pipeline and doing a detailed survey. They might start building it as early as in 2 years. And it would not be unheard of for them to build two pipelines at once. They did that with NordStream 2 and TurkStream. So they might just build Power of Siberia 2 to Sakhalin and Soyuz Vostok to Yamal simultaneously. My main question is if China would be able to even use the gas. The relevant facilities in China proper would have to be built. I mean pipelines and actual end user applications for the gas. Boilers, power plants, etc. This is neither cheap nor fast to build. Most of Northern China infrastructure has been tailored for coal use. And in the South, near Shanghai, they do use LNG but you would need to build a huge pipeline there. Another one. The one to connect Shanghai to Power of Siberia (first one) isn't even finished yet.
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Hang on to your hats folks. The US is already experiencing Diesel and Aviation Fuel shortages and they don't have even a fraction of Europe's oil imports from Russia. If they ban oil imports, diesel imports, and distillate imports from Russia, there will be a huge Diesel and Aviation Fuel shortage in Europe. Which will likely make the 1970s oil crisis look like a picnic. And that is assuming they let India or China buy from Russia and this is just a change of customers and supply won't drop.


Problem is these used Japanese and European technology to liquefy the gas I think. Russia supposedly is working on import substitution for the relevant equipment. Have been doing it for a couple of years. But there might be project delays. Then there is the small detail of having to build Arc7 Ice-class gas tankers to bring the gas from Yamal to China over the Northeast Passage.


Actually I think a lot of people in France want to leave NATO. But without some sort of counter to Russia in Europe which can sort of match Russia's population I don't think Europe will have a viable foreign policy. It would require France and Germany minimum. Or France, Italy, and Spain. But that will never work.


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One use for gas that doesn't require end user distribution is gas to liquids or gas to chemicals plants. Once liquid fuel or chemical it can be distributed via conventional liquid fuel network.
 
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