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ZeEa5KPul

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The real strategic question is, as you pointed out, how do we cut the American dominance down to size?
My view is that this all culminates in the mid-to-late 2040s when China's economic development is complete and it becomes technologically and militarily dominant - and also when the Taiwan Question is settled for good and America is forcibly expelled from the western Pacific and other waters of strategic importance to China.
I doubt that GWF can catch WeChat, or any software, doing such things with blocking the foreign banks completely.
As solarz mentioned, the GFW is as much a legal framework as a technical one. Here it is the law that prevents Tencent from partnering with foreign banks to extend its payment system, not the network management.
 

tokenanalyst

Brigadier
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You listed a few historical considerations and current benefits. In a few posts here in the last few weeks on GFW, I already said that it served some purposes. I have never said or argued it was not useful or important or insightful. So just to clarify the context.

What I have been saying, actually since the Covid breakout, is that China today is no longer the China during the formative years of the Internet revolution. China today is already ahead of US in some aspects of the Internet eco-system. So early benefits and low hanging fruits have already been harvested. But those downside effects are still there, since the day one. In other words, the cost-benefit calculation has been altered significantly, in comparison to those formative years.

Just to clarify:
(1) Would Alibaba have become what it is today without GFW? No.
(2) Would Tencent have become what it is today without GFW? No.
(3) Would ByteDance have become so big so quickly without GFW? No.

My arguments here were in the context of the entire Internet eco-system from about 2000 to this date. During that time, opposite to the benefits sides, there are new bureaucracies and entrenched interests developed within the Chinese Internet eco-system who are against any opening, not for the original gov purposes, but just to protect their own interests that 20 years of GFW has brought to them. I say all these because I know at a personal level, not propaganda craps or idealogical leanings, about China Internet eco-system.

I hope I can clarify a little here. And I am not interested in any pissing contest, especially not against to those who really don't know the Chinese Internet eco-system. And as I said earlier to another poster, this is indeed literally a trillion dollar topic inside China.

So go figure...

As far as Internet security and data protection (like GDPR or else) is concerned, I don't want to brag, but there are not even many people in the US that can hold my water, like a patient arguing with a doctor about how wrong he/she is.
Alibaba, Tencent, Bytedance. Probably.

What Alibaba do is different from Amazon.
Tencent focus in broad range of product and function more like a investment group.
ByteDance popularize a format that didn't exist in the West at that time.

The only American company that i personally see would have taken the Chinese market by storm is Alphabet, like YouTube and Google.
 

SanWenYu

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As solarz mentioned, the GFW is as much a legal framework as a technical one. Here it is the law that prevents Tencent from partnering with foreign banks to extend its payment system, not the network management.
GFW itself is a not a law though. And IMO it'd be a bad idea to make GFW as if itself was a law. That would give the GFW operators way too much power. In civil laws, it should be as clear and specific as possible to tell the public what they cannot do.

One of the worst aspects of GFW is that it has never been made clear what traffic it will bock. Censorship without transparency is one kind of 不教而诛 (penalty without reason).
 

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FriedButter

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Both incompetent and corruption might have played a role. Otherwise, I don't see how a bridge can be stolen.
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It’s corruption. They “might have a role” is a huge understatement IMO.

“Of the people surveyed in India, who came into contact with the police, 42% had paid bribes. The use of bribes was also rampant (41%) to obtain official documents such as identity papers. Use of personal connections was also largely made in dealings with the police (39%), procurement of identity documents (42%), and in relation to courts (38%)”, it states.

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Based on the adult population, that is like 400 million Indians paying bribes to police. Tons of money to be made.
 
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