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9dashline

9dashline

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gelgoog said:
Europe is self sufficient in term of food. The problem is inputs like fertilizer or energy. There are no easy solutions to this.
In theory you can use nuclear to provide both but in several European countries like Germany and Italy there is an irrational political opposition to its use. Even if there was a crash program to replace oil products it would take a decade and a half to do it.
The US will try to get Iranian oil but Iran cannot possibly replace all the many inputs Europe will lose from trade with Russia.
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That is not self sufficient for each calorie of food about nine other calories of energy went into the growing, processing, and transportation of that food... in the modern era the way the masses are kept fed is fertilizer (derived from petroleum) to grow the food

That's like saying Japan is energy self sufficient it just merely needs to import that oil etc

 
FairAndUnbiased

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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9dashline said:
dont worry its going to $200 soon at this rate
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In the end EROEI (with the added definition of products and resources being embedded energy) is the iron rule. There's no spin you can do around thermodynamics.

That's why sanctions on China and Russia are total jokes when you boil it down to the most basic level - you are gonna stop trading electronic numbers for energy and embedded energy? really??? lol.
 
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el pueblo unido

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FairAndUnbiased said:
In the end EROEI (with the added definition of products and resources being embedded energy) is the iron rule. There's no spin you can do around thermodynamics.

That's why sanctions on China and Russia are total jokes when you boil it down to the most basic level - you are gonna stop trading electronic numbers for energy and embedded energy? really??? lol.
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I'm going to get a shirt with EROEI printed on it, is there a merch shop for this forum ？
 
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