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taxiya

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As i said there is only German engineering or Russian engineering in this world and the rest of all engineering is derived from these two branches. thats why is said read some books.
So if I copy your logic, I dare to say that there is only Greco-Roman and Chinese Culture, Science, Philosophy and Engineering in this world, the rest of all is just derivatives from these two. Note, the rest includes any engineering that you may worship. That is why you should read more books.

This is only to mock your illogics, not to engage your non-sense. Stop sneaking away from the initial subject by dragging in Germany, Russia, Nato, Qatar, SK, Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, or Marsian. The more gibberish you mumble, the clearer your brain looks like mashed potato.
 

pmc

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So if I copy your logic, I dare to say that there is only Greco-Roman and Chinese Culture, Science, Philosophy and Engineering in this world, the rest of all is just derivatives from these two. Note, the rest includes any engineering that you may worship. That is why you should read more books.
I can agree if current decisions are influenced by it.
German engineering has clear influence on current climate accords and trade polices.
 

xypher

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i dont know how long i can reply. as you continuously making inaccurate statements. Opec is not some independent thing and US is still depended on German engineering for its oil/gas industry. thats why Biden has to go against Keystone and other energy policies to make himself in conformity to Paris climate accord which German public deeply care. when i use German engineering it has very deep meaning. As i said there is only German engineering or Russian engineering in this world and the rest of all engineering is derived from these two branches. thats why is said read some books.
I am not interested in the Russian cope stories you tell yourself at night. Modern-day Russian engineering is shit sans a few sectors.
you also made inaccurate statement about Turkey gas consumption. now Turkey paid $9b for energy imports in January. and this include cheap pipe gas on long term contracts and Iran cut off. At this rate it translate into $110b a year of imports. now imagine Japan with LNG.
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Stop shifting the topic, I don't care about Turkey's gas consumption, and what I said were facts cited in your very first article you've linked. But since you were incapable of reading it fully, you pooped your pants and were called out by multiple people, and now have to do damage control.
I keep repeating the same thing. not go by statistics and public information only. as you havent researched that topic.
statistics can only show Sochi per capita income of restaurant service workers. it will not show the origin and destination of jets. it will not show there is private palaces that can only be afforded by trillionaires not even billionaires. than there is village houses that are in millions. it need very different level of wealth to hangout among these people. They are only short of $80b to complete that road to technopolis.
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Of course, you don't go by statistics because they are present facts and you operate in your fantasy lands. You just pull some imaginary things out of your ass and pretend that this is somehow real. The fact is that you have to do this because you have zero hard facts on your side.
China built consumer goods and most are built with German engineering. so its understandable it will have deficit. why Taiwan has deficit with Germany?. its not tiny when there is few concentrated industries.
Nah, most of the machinery is Chinese or Japanese which is the largest export of equipment to China.
Again comparison without context and not understanding.
Yes, you don't understand economics and just keep coping about the Russian economy being shit, that's right.
foreign brands does not mean imported. that why Russia always keep trade surpluses regardless of energy prices. you still not understood what i wrote. try some deep learning. there is old Toyota part of official vehicle. see what that mean?
All oil & gas exporters keep their trade balance positive because periods of lower prices are compensated by volumes of exports, keep coping. Preference for foreign brands means that Russian auto engineering is not as good as you are trying to present it here, fact. Btw, Russia imported $11 billion worth of cars and exported $1.65 billion.
Turkey can be part of everything and still extract more. Turkey has alot of reach when its pumped by German engineering.
Cool, contributed zero to the discussion, stick to the topic.
buying plastic toys and sending things on Airforce jets are very two different thing. try sell to Qatar those drones when US elevated its status to Non-Nato ally let alone Nato ally?. or ask to cross there airspace with Airforce planes continuously. that kind of requests very difficult to entertain.
Ballistic missiles and AA defense systems are plastic toys? Lol, that's a new level of copium, considering that the exports of the latter are the best Russia can do. Btw, how come Russia cannot make "plastic toy" drones? Ah yes, because their electronics industry is utter shit and all they can do is produce crap like Orion that no one wants while making fake videos about the non-existing Ohotnik.
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this is not government sponsored show. and these private gatherings among institutes. and there is alot more. its just a glimpse.
Nah.
 

taxiya

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I can agree if current decisions are influenced by it.
If you agree with that "copied" notion, then your earlier notion of "only German and Russian engineering" can only be false because the two notions are contradicting to one another.
German engineering has clear influence on current climate accords and trade polices.
I won't even bother to ask what you are talking about.
 

taxiya

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China keeping Turkey afloat despite Erdogans provocations all these years. China is the reason that despite Lira crashing ,the economy hasn't suffered and is instead booming.
Interesting article, especially these two graphs
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It basically says that Turkey use Russian Gas to generate electricity to run their factories using Chinese machines to assemble Chinese components to export to Europe.

To be clear though, this is purely economical activity from China's perspective, to keep Chinese export to Europe flow and partly off-load the environmental blame from Europe.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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If you agree with that "copied" notion, then your earlier notion of "only German and Russian engineering" can only be false because the two notions are contradicting to one another.

I won't even bother to ask what you are talking about.
German engineering legacies has a very strong hold and perception to many people in the world that are unaware of the technological development that's happened amongst Asian countries. It's the old cliché that if you want great fashion or art look no further than French, Italian; when it comes to stupendous engineering look to Germany, technology; financial centre look to London, New York; technology to America and the honorary white Japan.

If much of the world still want to pretend that this current generation is still beholden to these old relics then why act surprised when they're being upended, surpassed by Asian countries like South Korea and China which includes the rebellious child province of Taiwan.
 

pmc

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I am not interested in the Russian cope stories you tell yourself at night. Modern-day Russian engineering is shit sans a few sectors.
so what was you debating untill now?. isnt its Russian electricity that is reliably exported to many countries without breakdown.
Stop shifting the topic, I don't care about Turkey's gas consumption, and what I said were facts cited in your very first article you've linked. But since you were incapable of reading it fully, you pooped your pants and were called out by multiple people, and now have to do damage control.
it is clear that you only went with first set of facts from prior years and not consider the current updated data.
Of course, you don't go by statistics because they are present facts and you operate in your fantasy lands. You just pull some imaginary things out of your ass and pretend that this is somehow real. The fact is that you have to do this because you have zero hard facts on your side.

Nah, most of the machinery is Chinese or Japanese which is the largest export of equipment to China.

Yes, you don't understand economics and just keep coping about the Russian economy being shit, that's right.

All oil & gas exporters keep their trade balance positive because periods of lower prices are compensated by volumes of exports, keep coping. Preference for foreign brands means that Russian auto engineering is not as good as you are trying to present it here, fact. Btw, Russia imported $11 billion worth of cars and exported $1.65 billion.
oil and gas cannot keep positive trade balance when there is that military expenditure as military expenditure suck competent manpower so much less left for working in factories. thats the reason Germany not maintain military much but maintain influence through engineering. it does not matter where it is assembled.
you will never see German asking arab about this one.
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Cool, contributed zero to the discussion, stick to the topic.

Ballistic missiles and AA defense systems are plastic toys? Lol, that's a new level of copium, considering that the exports of the latter are the best Russia can do. Btw, how come Russia cannot make "plastic toy" drones? Ah yes, because their electronics industry is utter shit and all they can do is produce crap like Orion that no one wants while making fake videos about the non-existing Ohotnik.
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Nah.
anything can be published without practically tested. if some thing wrong in product in product it will come out. just like Dakkar rally.
Ballistic missiles and AA defense systems are plastic toys? Lol, that's a new level of copium, considering that the exports of the latter are the best Russia can do. Btw, how come Russia cannot make "plastic toy" drones? Ah yes, because their electronics industry is utter shit and all they can do is produce crap like Orion that no one wants while making fake videos about the non-existing Ohotnik.
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Nah.
how those things got transported to those locations that was the point. unless there is influence no one allowed military to flyover.
 
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