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taxiya

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pmc said:
You are basically clucthing straws.
they gave daily consumption in January. which is far higher than anything Germany can achieve with one pipe. Russia has banned Yamal-Belarus Pipe and Germany has to sell gas from storage in reverse flow to Poland.

Gazprom exports to Turkey increased by 83% in November. Turkey has piped gas from Iran and Azerbijan and much robust LNG infrastructure.
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And you are trying to sneak away from the questions.

All your data are known by the Turkish authority, and yet they made the "way off" estimation in your opinion? You must be smatter than all Turkish government's officials and economics.

If you can present some data, calculation etc. to prove that Turkish authority was wrong, do so. Anything less than that is just rubbish.
 
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pmc

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taxiya said:
And you are trying to sneak away from the questions.

All your data are known by the Turkish authority, and yet they made the "way off" estimation in your opinion? You must be smatter than all Turkish government's officials and economics.

If you can present some data, calculation etc. to prove that Turkish authority was wrong, do so. Anything less than that is just rubbish.
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I gave you Gazprom export figures from last year. Turkey has the highest growth.

This is Januaray19 2022 figure. They can estimate what ever for the rest of the year. but infrastructure is already built for this level daily of consumption. you cannot put your own interpretitions on this number. as its clear number publish by turkish media.
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Daily natural gas consumption hit record levels of 288 million cubic meters on Jan. 19, from increased demand due to heavy snowfall and cold weather in the country.
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AndrewS

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Arnies said:
This..

I have known it for years that Turkey will overtake germany with time and so did many insiders.. The consumption will even widen further.. The GDP PPP shows some hints about it and this estimates were pre-covid but still everyone is on track but delayed between 2 to 3 years due to covid..

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Alot of ppl got caught up in the lira debacle few months which is resolved now and it was the government behind the devaluation but due to media pressure had to reverse it and the idea behind it was to increase export and minimize import to very low numbers this would have been huge victory in the long term but alarmist media ruined all of that with the pressure and they had to abort plan.. Turkey wants to limit imports by alot and they can't put huge tariffs on trade partners without backlash and tit for tat hence the devulation was the route but due to media it is also off the plan or atleast now as the president wants to get re-elected but he has to find other methods doing a china by counter-feit everyting is not a bad idea.. China even kicked out uber after few months and quickly put a local counter-feit uber in place and I have seen some diss this tactics not realizing how massive game changer it is meaning you are keeping all the money inside,.. Probably one of the biggest success story in china.. if Turkey creates this tactics to butcher imports or half it then her economy could even double up..

The reason turkey out runs germany eventually on all estimates comes down to geolocation Turkey is in the heart of the world literally a central point of the world

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That chart is really out of date.

The China and US figures are moderately off.
The India and Turkey figures are just delusional.
I haven't even looked at the others.

You should be embarrassed to be even sharing it.

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Also, Turkey is not the centre of the world.
Turkey's neighbours are respectively for example: Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria
Plus the Turkish market is just not large enough to dictate terms to multinationals or grow many domestic world-class industries
 
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Arnies

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AndrewS said:
That chart is really out of date.

The China and US figures are moderately off.
The India and Turkey figures are just delusional.
I haven't even looked at the others.

You should be embarrassed to be even sharing it.

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Also, Turkey is not the centre of the world.
Turkey's neighbours are respectively for example: Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria
Plus the Turkish market is just not large enough to dictate terms to multinationals or grow many domestic world-class industries
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I told you it was pre-covid and it was done by a respected institution standard chartered bank which is one of the biggest in the world..

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Look at a map you will know the ''central part''
 
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Abominable

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Arnies said:
I told you it was pre-covid and it was done by a respected institution standard chartered bank which is one of the biggest in the world..

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Look at a map you will know the ''central part''
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Europe is a tiny part of the Eurasian continent. As Asia continues to develop, it's importance will become more sidelined.
 
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Bob Smith

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Arnies said:
I told you it was pre-covid and it was done by a respected institution standard chartered bank which is one of the biggest in the world..

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Look at a map you will know the ''central part''
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Even pre-covid, that chart highly exaggerated growth in India, Turkey and Egypt.

No one cares about Turkey connecting Southeast Europe to West Asia because both are relatively irrelevant regions. The two connections people care about on Eurasia is West Europe and East Asia due to economics. This will almost all come from sea. Egypt controlling the Suez Canal is the connection here and no one is going to hype up Egypt as an emerging power because geographic middlemen are largely irrelevant in the 21st century.
 
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AndrewS

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Arnies said:
I told you it was pre-covid and it was done by a respected standard chartered bank which is one of the biggest in the world..
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Even pre-COVID, the figures would have been ridiculed.

Arnies said:
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Look at a map you will know the ''central part''
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There are 3 concentrations of economic and industrial power today.
They are North America (centred on the USA), Europe (around the European Union) and Asia (around China).

Turkey lies on the fringes of Europe, bordering the sparsely populated lands of the Middle East.

In comparison, China's neighbours comprise East Asia (Japan/Korea), SE Asia (ASEAN), South Asia (India/Pakistan/etc), Central Asia and Russia. China is the largest trading partner for pretty much all of these countries. China also sits at the centre of the Asian trading network and arguably the global trading network. Furthermore, China is actively building roads, railways, airports and seaports to connect up with all its neighbours.

The combination of countries listed above comprises a majority of the world's population and approximately 44% of global economic activity (on a GDP PPP basis). In 10 year's time, I would expect this to be a majority of the world's economic activity as well.

So I know Turkey has this idea of itself of being between Europe and Asia.
But when you talk about Turkey being a "central part of the world", it doesn't actually make any sense.
 
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weig2000

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Arnies said:
China even kicked out uber after few months and quickly put a local counter-feit uber in place and I have seen some diss this tactics not realizing how massive game changer it is meaning you are keeping all the money inside,.. Probably one of the biggest success story in china.. if Turkey creates this tactics to butcher imports or half it then her economy could even double up..
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Where did you learn this China-kicked-out-uber-and-put-a-local-counterfeit story? It's ridiculous!

Uber fought a hard and epic battle against Didi in China and lost fair and square. It finally sold its China unit to Didi and took an equity in Didi. Didi was one of the largest unicorn in the world then; it was well funded by a host of bluechip companies and VCs including Alibaba, Tencent, and Apple.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
weig2000 said:
Where did you learn this China-kicked-out-uber-and-put-a-local-counterfeit story? It's ridiculous!

Uber fought a hard and epic battle against Didi in China and lost fair and square. It finally sold its China unit to Didi and took an equity in Didi. Didi was one of the largest unicorn in the world then; it was well funded by a host of bluechip companies and VCs including Alibaba, Tencent, and Apple.
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LOL, just goes to show he doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's getting tiresome reading all these non-Chinese throwing out these ridiculous assertions about China.
 
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