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Can someone explain this? Why and how is China's 5G able to work seamlessly with their aviation, high speed trains but somehow the airline industry in the US are protesting on the rollout of American 5G from AT&T and Verizon. Is the reason for the protest purely technical or are the airline industries crying belies a more pointed reason. And if the issue is indeed technical, why couldn't the telco companies work with and address any concerns from the airline industry before the rollout to avoid costs for all the industries involved. Where was the FAA and FCC in all of these what I find embarrassing episode of the head not knowing where his right hand and his left hand. This also brings doubt how the US can effectively compete with China in this important tech arena where 5G in China has been rolled out in key industries of the economy.

And is this where Huawei 5g base stations or tech would have made the difference using a different electromagnetic spectrum? So the American public/ consumers are in the end the losers in this situation no matter what.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Can someone explain this? Why and how is China's 5G able to work seamlessly with their aviation, high speed trains but somehow the airline industry in the US are protesting on the rollout of American 5G from AT&T and Verizon. Is the reason for the protest purely technical or are the airline industries crying belies a more pointed reason. And if the issue is indeed technical, why couldn't the telco companies work with and address any concerns from the airline industry before the rollout to avoid costs for all the industries involved. Where was the FAA in all of these what I find embarrassing episode of the head not knowing where his right hand and his left hand. This also brings doubt how the US can effectively compete with China in this important tech arena where 5G in China has been rolled out in key industries of the economy.

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I'm guessing a lack of a central authority for standards. 5G uses radio bands that were previously unused by telecom, so this might conflict with bands used by US airlines.

liamban said:

Already traced to a satirical site a few posts back. But we all know a bunch of people would wish it's real.

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It's real.

It's a well known problem.



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solarz said:

I'm guessing a lack of a central authority for standards. 5G uses radio bands that were previously unused by telecom, so this might conflict with bands used by US airlines.

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But shouldn't have they looked into this to ensure a most seamless possible integration of 5G tech into their economy? This latest idiotic experience will turn potentially people off and even doubt the veracity of claims 5G has been touted to do the overall economy. Americans are already becoming less and less serious about science this issue would just add to the erosion of trust.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Can someone explain this? Why and how is China's 5G able to work seamlessly with their aviation, high speed trains but somehow the airline industry in the US are protesting on the rollout of American 5G from AT&T and Verizon. Is the reason for the protest purely technical or are the airline industries crying belies a more pointed reason. And if the issue is indeed technical, why couldn't the telco companies work with and address any concerns from the airline industry before the rollout to avoid costs for all the industries involved. Where was the FAA in all of these what I find embarrassing episode of the head not knowing where his right hand and his left hand. This also brings doubt how the US can effectively compete with China in this important tech arena where 5G in China has been rolled out in key industries of the economy.

And is this where Huawei 5g base stations or tech would have made the difference using a different electromagnetic spectrum? So the American public/ consumers are in the end the losers in this situation no matter what.

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The problematic 5G frequency in the US is C-band which is very close to the frequency that radar altimeter operates. Other countries do not use C-band in their 5G.

It is a system fault of the government. FAA and FCC did not coordinate well. FCC should take more blame for the problem. FCC knows well ahead of the potential interference. FCC should have forbidden usage of C-band around airport runways in their auction of the frequency.

I have noticed for several months now that EU and US trade officials Katherine Tai and Valdis Dombrovskis have a lot of contact and meetings since the inauguration of the EU-US trade and technology council in September 2021. I hate it when they do not name their obvious target directly (because there are a lot of people who do not notice) and are speaking indirectly. Vile hounds. Muh 'rule based trading system and fair market based trade'. They mean western dominance and white supremacy. I find my international political awareness increasing by a magnitude of hundred since reaching the age of 30. I was ignorant during most of my twenties.

taxiya said:

Except that is impossible. The very root of their upbringing is incompatible to Chineseness. Being part of Chinese society means that:

1. the individual being considerate to the surrounding people
2. respect authorities
3. believes in the idea of collective good is above individual
4. believes in the idea of Chinese nation is above any ideology and religion.

A person from a western background, not only western countries but any countries that have been shaped or transformed to western model in their social mentality, would not fit to be a Chinese, and would only be a destructive element. To make an example, it is much easier to assimilate an East Asian, or even a Russian, Central Asian than a person from Americas, Western Europe.

The examples that you made are talented people, but talent is not the only thing that China want, not even the first thing. A stranger's talent or wealth means nothing to the family, while less smart brothers and sisters are the ones we trust and depend on.

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From the German world values survey, Chinese culture is closest to other East/Southeast Asian, then Russian/Eastern Europe.

WASPs are far away.

Appix said:

I have noticed for several months now that EU and US trade officials Katherine Tai and Valdis Dombrovskis have a lot of contact and meetings since the inauguration of the EU-US trade and technology council in September 2021. I hate it when they do not name their obvious target directly (because there are a lot of people who do not notice) and are speaking indirectly. Vile hounds. Muh 'rule based trading system and fair market based trade'. They mean western dominance and white supremacy. I find my international political awareness increasing by a magnitude of hundred since reaching the age of 30. I was ignorant during most of my twenties.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1483876442966573058

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These particular meetings, they are just empty rhetoric.


Some ancient history.

When the Great Depression began, what the developed countries did was do competitive devaluations of their currencies and raise tariffs.

That grind world trade to a halt, and exacerbated the Great Depression.

The lesson learned was pretty clear, more trade restrictions weaken the economy. Also, at that point in history, it lead to another world war.


Things have changed a lot since then.

The principle remains true that increasing trade is good for the economy is good, while decreasing trade is bad. That has not changed.


What has changed is the world. It is not a few countries with regional economies, it is one big gigantic world economy.

That is probably why that the tariffs go up, but trade between China and America still goes up.

It is the structure of the world economy. During the Great Depression, made in England, those goods were exchanged for goods made in Germany. Inputs probably were more local.

The globalized world economy, the inputs or supply chain, is globalized.

The tariff is a tax. A tax increases costs of doing business. So everything costs more after the tariff.

Back in the Great Depression, where inputs were more localized, the tariff increased costs, but also shut the door to more world trade.

I think that is the difference between now and the Great Depression era.

Since the supply chains are globalized, a tariff cannot shut the door on trade. They decide to pay the tariff and life goes on, or they decide to reroute the flow of goods.

In other words, or another way of looking at it, when President Trump imposed his tariff war, that was an actual trade war.

But once it starts, we do not know what exactly will happen.

We can have some reasonable expectations, but eventually it is what Clausewitz said about the fog of war.

When the Trump tariffs were imposed, trade volumes between China and America went down, as expected. Later, trade volumes hit record levels, which may or may not have been expected.

That is the fog of war.

There is one point, that is generally understood, who usually comes out in better shape after the fog of war, tends to always be the stronger party.

Something the Western media cannot admit because their handlers won't allow it.


So all this talk about how America and Europe are coordinating trade policy, close to pointless.

The aftermath of this trade war from the Trump tariffs, kind of shows that supply chains have a mind of their own on how to adjust, which probably beyond the reach of these politicians.

taxiya said:

The problematic 5G frequency in the US is C-band which is very close to the frequency that radar altimeter operates. Other countries do not use C-band in their 5G.

It is a system fault of the government. FAA and FCC did not coordinate well. FCC should take more blame for the problem. FCC knows well ahead of the potential interference. FCC should have forbidden usage of C-band around airport runways in their auction of the frequency.

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The heart of the problem lies in the aircraft's radar altimeter uses frequencies close to C-band. 5G towers also use C-band radio spectrum frequencies that can disrupt altimeters, an important device that measures the aircraft's height above ground.

5G services use C-band radio spectrum frequencies between 3.7 and 4.2 GHz that may prove hazardous to flight safety.