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Tyler

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True what you say, but it feels like we're splitting hairs now.

The point is people are famous once they've become famous. You know of Bill Gates because of Microsoft, not the other way around. Until MS-DOS and Windows took off and put the company on the map, how many people knew who the guy behind the company actually was?

Had a certain gentleman from Hangzhou, China remained an English teacher instead of founding one of the biggest tech giants in the world, would you have known a man called Jack Ma ever existed?

No doubt they're all extraordinarily capable individuals, but until they actually did the extraordinary, they were all "nobodies", because how would you have known otherwise... is what I'm trying to get across.
There will always be some other people who would have taken advantage of the situation to start a similar company.
 

Helius

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US didn't attract Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Steve Jobs after they became billionaires either.

If they were so great at predictions and recruiting elite immigrants why couldn't they recruit English speaking, western oriented Jack Ma right before Alibaba took off and have Alibaba in the US too?

Ok, maybe Jack Ma wouldn't qualify for a visa. Ok. What about Robin Li who was literally in the US, graduated school, worked for Wall Street... Then they lost him again when he went back to found Baidu?
Now you're talking about a different subject matter. Per my original response to Petrolicious88, all I pointed out was that those super rich they mentioned didn't become rich and famous overnight. Most of them had unremarkable (or as far as you're willing to define it) beginnings and weren't trust fund babies who inherited a family empire.

I merely pointed out the fallacy in recruiting the likes of Bill Gates or Elon Musk as an immigration policy since they weren't billionaires from the get go, and as such there's no way to know who amongst the immigrant population would one day become such a billionaire, if at all, who would benefit the society at large to such an extent that would, as pointed out by Bellum_Romanum, make this whole exercise worth China's while, specifically.

For some reason the conversation then got sidetracked by a fixation on whether Bill Gates was a "nobody" pre-Microsoft... and here we are. :confused:
 

pmc

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Instead create an environment to attract the best and brightest. If the next Bill Gates or Elon Musk can successfully assimilate into Chinese society, does it matter if he/she is not ethnically Chinese.
I am not sure this best and brightest concept works in real world. sure there will be few billionaires and few thousand millionaires created but we dont know excess money supply is worth it as there is no physical asset increase. i mean real assets not created with imported mineral and components. importing unlimited software developers, engineering design teams will increase underlying problem to get worse as these people will need to eat, use energy and products made else where. it also creating inequality as new immigrants will need to be paid higher income to attract them. what can those wealthy and bright immigrants do to solve basic problems of society?
Germany/Italy/Turkey have few foreign billionaires and they have been integrated in engineering for too long.
US trade deficits and energy costs for domestic consumer are not decreasing despite huge investments in energy there is assumptions that Oil/Gas maybe taking skill labor from manufacturing. as there is dependence on Germanic engineering when complex repairs has to be shipped to Germany or Italy. it can create foreign entanglements too much trade with other countries.

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According to the oil company, an initial examination determined that the unit has to be sent for repairs in Germany where it is expected to arrive on February 9. It was further noted that the full extent of the damage will not be known until a detailed inspection of the compressor can take place at the workshop of the manufacturer, MAN Turbo in Germany.
 

FangYuan

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I am not sure this best and brightest concept works in real world. sure there will be few billionaires and few thousand millionaires created but we dont know excess money supply is worth it as there is no physical asset increase. i mean real assets not created with imported mineral and components. importing unlimited software developers, engineering design teams will increase underlying problem to get worse as these people will need to eat, use energy and products made else where. it also creating inequality as new immigrants will need to be paid higher income to attract them. what can those wealthy and bright immigrants do to solve basic problems of society?
Germany/Italy/Turkey have few foreign billionaires and they have been integrated in engineering for too long.
US trade deficits and energy costs for domestic consumer are not decreasing despite huge investments in energy there is assumptions that Oil/Gas maybe taking skill labor from manufacturing. as there is dependence on Germanic engineering when complex repairs has to be shipped to Germany or Italy. it can create foreign entanglements too much trade with other countries.


That's what makes me feel uncomfortable. Many foreigners teach English in China, they come from Philippines, Armenia, Africa ... their skills are very poor, their pronunciation is not standard, but their salary is much higher than native colleagues , just because they are foreigners

Many foreign teachers have flirted, charming, even rape, forcing Chinese girls to have sex with them. Those who have failed, lazy and could not have a good job in the West, quickly became a teacher in China just because they knew foreign languages. And most recently, a black teacher killed a Chinese student because she didn't accept his flirt.

On YouTube, there are several extreme Chinese anti-channels. Founded by foreign teachers. People who come to Chinese teach English, then flirt and marry a Chinese girl, and now he earns more income with Youtube channel - insulting - China

It is in the field of education, not taking into account foreigners in other service and industrial industries
 

Petrolicious88

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Or rather this idea that China will always need outside talent because they "can't innovate due to lack of freedom" don't make sense either. Those so called talented immigrant will have to compete with the local talent in China. Even if they do succeed they will contribute little to the overall China's success. YES China is that big and has plenty of great STEM to go along with it's growing economy that only outsiders can dream about.
Somehow the recommendation of attracting global talent can benefit China gets interpreted as “China can’t innovate due to lack of freedom” lol.
 
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Abominable

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Logic "China needs to invite many foreign talents ." It is like saying that without immigrants and talents from other countries, China will have nothing, not developing, cannot compete with other countries.

China from zero, becoming superpower after several decades. All successes are based on the intellectual and effort of indigenous people.

The most difficult time, China does not rely on immigrants and foreigners. So why China needs to rely on immigrants and foreign talents at this time, when China becomes rich and mighty?

Foreign talents are really good and superior?
Foreigners are the only key to help China compete with the West?


China needs talent from abroad. But it should only be limited in some special cases and need supervision. The statements - foreigners are indispensable, China needs to attract talents around the world as an exaggeration and insult against China.
I agree.

Using immigration to fix demographic problems is only a temporary fix. Even ignoring the social/cultural aspects of mass migration, migrants themselves get old.

The western world has done it from various regions of the world since post ww2 pretty much. It hasn't solved the problem, and there is a continuing need for more immigration.
 
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