And how many people with Gates' background and upbringing who aren't famous billionaires do you know?
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Correct.
I remember many people argue that without einstein, humanity will not have relativity. Physics forever without progress.
LOL
Similarly, many people think:
- China needs talent from abroad.
- Without immigrants and talents from abroad, China will never compete with the West.
Foreign experts say China cannot develop J-10's landing system
Foreign experts said China could not build high-speed rail in Tibet
Foreign experts believe China cannot build supercomputers, space stations, stealth aircraft ...
And finally, China can do it.
China rely on the intellectual and effort of indigenous people: breaking countless bottlenecks in science and technology.
Even IF the Russians banned the export of Engines, the United States banned the export of electronic components, Germany banned the export of CNC machines. China Is capable of making similar machines and equipment. It Is good enough to use and the quality may Improve over time.
No one is irreplaceable. Nothing is irreplaceable.
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If it wasn't Einstein, David Hilbert would have published his theory and formulas. Like the BYD founder said "chips are made by man, not gods".
When there's a vacuum someone will fill it because mad money is to be made.
By definition there are very few billionaires. But among multimillionaires living in gated suburbs with a mansion, private yacht, driving BMWs, kids attending Harvard, vacationing in Aspen and Geneva, charter flights, etc? Too many to count.
This is a very serious development.
If the United States starts to cut off Alibaba from customers, then there will be retaliation.
The Chinese government will demand no one uses Micro$soft, Amazon, etc., cloud services.
This would parallel the situation when Huawei was denied usage of the Android OS.
After that, Huawei Harmony OS went from zero to actually something, and still growing.
The world's biggest cloud providers are American.
Just like when the Americans use to have 100% of the world's cell phone OS.
Can't believe we get so hung up on the semantics of what constitutes a "nobody".
Going back to the original point, let me ask for the final time - who then are these individuals that are so well-known to our fellow forum comrades to such an extent as Bill Gates and Elon Musk that they get to be named-dropped as people of such renown that China should recruit for the betterment and advancement of Chinese society?
Are they "somebody" to somebody? For sure, but certainly not to me, or anybody else for that matter. I don't know who they are, what they do, least of all their names.
Like I said, Bill Gates could've been the Harvard graduate with the fanciest house in his little suburb in Seattle for all I care. Without having founded Microsoft and become the richest person in the world, would we still be having this pedantic discussion about this 'Bill Gates' person, or would we be talking about somebody else? So in that scenario, who's 'Bill Gates' then?
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Think of it this way... The US thinks it needs no one. They think all those Chinese in US research and development are all affirmative action cases. All the hard work is done by white scientists and engineers and Chinese contribute nothing to US science and engineering. So why is that China needs foreigners? China is already exploding with innovation without them and it's got the Western world alarmed like hell. Also there's a prejudice against China that if they worked for the Chinese all their hard work will be accredited to the Chinese... just like how it works with Chinese scientists and engineers in the US for the US hence why Americans believe white people do all the hard work. Besides American scientists and engineers can get arrested working with the Chinese as we have seen in the recent news. Maybe we're talking about like Indians or Japanese or South Korean scientists and engineers and then at anytime they can lie and take credit for Chinese innovation and the the West will make that of record. Why would foreigners want to work for China? The only thing is to take credit or they're just looking for a job. For the latter just look at the Western news that says China produces all these scientists and engineers that can't find a job. This is all based on the Western way of looking at things because that's how they influence everything to their advantage. Why else fix something that isn't broken?
Why does the West want to make everyone embrace Western culture. They'll make it that it's the best culture for people's lives to make it easier. Besides control of others, another important aspect that doesn't get talked about is making money. Innovation is about making life easier. Life is about culture. That's why don't be mistaken like Westerners believing that any of their social media companies can be transplanted anywhere around the world. Their social media companies are geared for their culture. Apps that are successful in the US may not work in another culture and vice versa hence why they want the world to embrace their culture because it means more money for them. Why would Chinese shop on Amazon when they sell products aimed at Westerners? Look at Apple when they first introduced facial recognition on their iPhones. It could tell white people apart but when it came to any other ethnicity, anyone of the same ethnicity could unlock someone's iPhone. People could easily and did say it proved that all other ethnicity all people looked alike to confirm their racial prejudices claiming "unbiased" science proves it. No, it's as simple as Apple's engineers wrote algorithms for their facial recognition program based more on white people and no one else. They're afraid of Chinese AI because anyone that uses it won't be steered towards the West to get answers. Internet search engines are the most basics examples of how AI works. If I search for news on China on Google, the top results will be negative Western news stories of China. This is where they'll say it's a machine and can't be biased. They can't be prejudice so it must mean the most neutral see China as negative. If what they say is true that machines are neutral, then why are they afraid of Chinese AI? And there wouldn't be talk in the US about internet neutrality where the top search results go to the one who pays Google the most. And they think they can't be influenced by prejudice...
Before the movie box office explosion in China, Hollywood saw the international movie market as insignificant. They could make movies that offended other countries and they could care less. When the China market was rising Hollywood like Americans thought they could have it both ways. They wanted in on the Chinese box office but also didn't want to cater to Chinese audiences. They wanted Chinese to love Hollywood movie stars because that meant they would go to watch Hollywood movies with those stars in them and that would translate to more money for the studios, the actors, the agents, down to the personal hairdressers to the stars. It trickled down. They don't want Chinese movie stars in their movies because that money would go somewhere else and not them. That's why before it became controversial, you would hear actors defend white actors taking roles and dressed up to look Asian or other ethnicities because it was about them getting work and making more money.
They want to make people believe that the Western way of doing things opens people to the world. Anyone who has lived their life in a ten by ten isolated cage would also believe that was the whole world. Just look at how China's recent hypersonic glide vehicle test also launched a hypersonic missile during hypersonic speeds, something the West says is impossible to do. Think like them and it would've never have happened in the first place for people to know. They're afraid of Chinese innovation and want the world to be scared of it because they don't control where it can go. Does that sound like them being open? Do you want foreigners who learned and repeat from Western schools of thoughts in?
Why does the West want to make everyone embrace Western culture. They'll make it that it's the best culture for people's lives to make it easier. Besides control of others, another important aspect that doesn't get talked about is making money. Innovation is about making life easier. Life is about culture. That's why don't be mistaken like Westerners believing that any of their social media companies can be transplanted anywhere around the world. Their social media companies are geared for their culture. Apps that are successful in the US may not work in another culture and vice versa hence why they want the world to embrace their culture because it means more money for them. Why would Chinese shop on Amazon when they sell products aimed at Westerners? Look at Apple when they first introduced facial recognition on their iPhones. It could tell white people apart but when it came to any other ethnicity, anyone of the same ethnicity could unlock someone's iPhone. People could easily and did say it proved that all other ethnicity all people looked alike to confirm their racial prejudices claiming "unbiased" science proves it. No, it's as simple as Apple's engineers wrote algorithms for their facial recognition program based more on white people and no one else. They're afraid of Chinese AI because anyone that uses it won't be steered towards the West to get answers. Internet search engines are the most basics examples of how AI works. If I search for news on China on Google, the top results will be negative Western news stories of China. This is where they'll say it's a machine and can't be biased. They can't be prejudice so it must mean the most neutral see China as negative. If what they say is true that machines are neutral, then why are they afraid of Chinese AI? And there wouldn't be talk in the US about internet neutrality where the top search results go to the one who pays Google the most. And they think they can't be influenced by prejudice...
Before the movie box office explosion in China, Hollywood saw the international movie market as insignificant. They could make movies that offended other countries and they could care less. When the China market was rising Hollywood like Americans thought they could have it both ways. They wanted in on the Chinese box office but also didn't want to cater to Chinese audiences. They wanted Chinese to love Hollywood movie stars because that meant they would go to watch Hollywood movies with those stars in them and that would translate to more money for the studios, the actors, the agents, down to the personal hairdressers to the stars. It trickled down. They don't want Chinese movie stars in their movies because that money would go somewhere else and not them. That's why before it became controversial, you would hear actors defend white actors taking roles and dressed up to look Asian or other ethnicities because it was about them getting work and making more money.
They want to make people believe that the Western way of doing things opens people to the world. Anyone who has lived their life in a ten by ten isolated cage would also believe that was the whole world. Just look at how China's recent hypersonic glide vehicle test also launched a hypersonic missile during hypersonic speeds, something the West says is impossible to do. Think like them and it would've never have happened in the first place for people to know. They're afraid of Chinese innovation and want the world to be scared of it because they don't control where it can go. Does that sound like them being open? Do you want foreigners who learned and repeat from Western schools of thoughts in?
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US didn't attract Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Steve Jobs after they became billionaires either.
If they were so great at predictions and recruiting elite immigrants why couldn't they recruit English speaking, western oriented Jack Ma right before Alibaba took off and have Alibaba in the US too?
Ok, maybe Jack Ma wouldn't qualify for a visa. Ok. What about Robin Li who was literally in the US, graduated school, worked for Wall Street... Then they lost him again when he went back to found Baidu?
Logic "China needs to invite many foreign talents ." It is like saying that without immigrants and talents from other countries, China will have nothing, not developing, cannot compete with other countries.
China from zero, becoming superpower after several decades. All successes are based on the intellectual and effort of indigenous people.
The most difficult time, China does not rely on immigrants and foreigners. So why China needs to rely on immigrants and foreign talents at this time, when China becomes rich and mighty?
Foreign talents are really good and superior?
Foreigners are the only key to help China compete with the West?
China needs talent from abroad. But it should only be limited in some special cases and need supervision. The statements - foreigners are indispensable, China needs to attract talents around the world as an exaggeration and insult against China.
China from zero, becoming superpower after several decades. All successes are based on the intellectual and effort of indigenous people.
The most difficult time, China does not rely on immigrants and foreigners. So why China needs to rely on immigrants and foreign talents at this time, when China becomes rich and mighty?
Foreign talents are really good and superior?
Foreigners are the only key to help China compete with the West?
China needs talent from abroad. But it should only be limited in some special cases and need supervision. The statements - foreigners are indispensable, China needs to attract talents around the world as an exaggeration and insult against China.
Another question is, why does foreign talent need to be physically present in China to work for Chinese companies? Can't they comfortably stay home and work at a branch office?