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Bellum_Romanum

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victoon said:
you summarized it perfectly. to me it was like a great drama. I really didn't see that coming and the turn was so sudden and abrupt.

In fact deep down I enjoyed it for 2 other reasons.
1. at some point everyone has to chose a side. I have. But do we still care about truth and nothing but the truth after we have chosen a side? I respect Ai's pursuit of truth (although I don't always agree with his conclusions). I don't know about Ai. But I think it takes a lot of courage to chose a side but belong nowhere (how you end up if you only care about truth).
2. The other is the balance between my nationalism and my individualism. sometimes I worry my nationalism is just to make me feel better about myself. I don't know if I have a good point here, but I feel instead of trying to properly assign blames for the 5000 lost lives of Chinese young, Ai, an architect, could have spend his energy designing new schools. He obviously love the people. But I feel his choice reflect his individual need to vent anger than an expression of nationalism. I have no doubt that he loves China. but in the end, I thought he made greater contribution when he was building things than being a bitter critic (because criticism is all about asking other people to build things).
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What caused him to become a critic of the governance system in China when I heard he's the one who designed that Olympic stadium in Beijing for the 2008 Olympics.

Did he become a wannabe Pablo Picasso who had affairs with many women some of which were underage and also dabbled into "free expression of art I.e. sexual debauchery but hey it's "art". Some of these eclectic individuals become so enamored with their "uniqueness" and geniuses that they become so caught up with their own self-imposed importance that they lose touch with reality.
 
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solarz

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Bellum_Romanum said:
What caused him to become a critic of the governance system in China when I heard he's the one who designed that Olympic stadium in Beijing for the 2008 Olympics.

Did he become a wannabe Pablo Picasso who had affairs with many women some of which were underage and also dabbled into "free expression of art I.e. sexual debauchery but hey it's "art". Some of these eclectic individuals become so enamored with their "uniqueness" and geniuses that they become so caught up with their own self-imposed importance that they lose touch with reality.
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He had always been brainwashed by western propaganda, he just happens to be the one western media chose to focus on with his anti-Chinese views. There were a lot of people like him in China even just 3 years ago. Covid is what really opened people's eyes. (HK helped too, but not to the extent of covid.)
 
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solarz said:
He had always been brainwashed by western propaganda, he just happens to be the one western media chose to focus on with his anti-Chinese views. There were a lot of people like him in China even just 3 years ago. Covid is what really opened people's eyes. (HK helped too, but not to the extent of covid.)
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And Xinjiang as well.
 
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ILikeChina said:
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200 mln $, what a mighty fab.
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$200 million worth of virtue signaling and patting oneself on the back.

This kind of news is so irritating on multiple levels.

1. It is basically selling a Potemkin Village/Fake News, whatever you want to call it. The article itself acknowledges that 200 million isn't going to build a fab, so it is going to the vague notion of "Talent Development".
2. The more vague politicians are, the more room for organized corruption there is. Suddenly this 200 million is going to the university to establish a "Department of Semiconductor Development" which is 1 professor and 20 administrators who happen to be friends and relatives of the party in power.
3. When the money is inevitably frittered away (see Foxconn in Wisconsin), then nobody is really held accountable, but the money is still gone.
 
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supersnoop

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solarz said:
He had always been brainwashed by western propaganda, he just happens to be the one western media chose to focus on with his anti-Chinese views. There were a lot of people like him in China even just 3 years ago. Covid is what really opened people's eyes. (HK helped too, but not to the extent of covid.)
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You may not agree with his viewpoint on China, but at least he is balanced with his criticism.

Mentioning HK, you can see the intellectual dishonesty in full swing there. You always hear about "rights being crushed" or whatever, then then unconditional western praise. Jenny Kwan, the NDP MP from East Vancouver loves to talk about HK and Xinjiang, meanwhile her riding has the worst homelessness and drug problems in all of Canada. I will be fair though, it's not like she doesn't care about these things, but everything about Xinjiang and HK will only ever be TALK. She can actually DO for Vancouver and Canada, but instead she only ever TALKS.
 
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solarz

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supersnoop said:
You may not agree with his viewpoint on China, but at least he is balanced with his criticism.

Mentioning HK, you can see the intellectual dishonesty in full swing there. You always hear about "rights being crushed" or whatever, then then unconditional western praise. Jenny Kwan, the NDP MP from East Vancouver loves to talk about HK and Xinjiang, meanwhile her riding has the worst homelessness and drug problems in all of Canada. I will be fair though, it's not like she doesn't care about these things, but everything about Xinjiang and HK will only ever be TALK. She can actually DO for Vancouver and Canada, but instead she only ever TALKS.
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It's not like Ai Weiwei does anything more than talking.
 
plawolf

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supersnoop said:
You may not agree with his viewpoint on China, but at least he is balanced with his criticism.

Mentioning HK, you can see the intellectual dishonesty in full swing there. You always hear about "rights being crushed" or whatever, then then unconditional western praise. Jenny Kwan, the NDP MP from East Vancouver loves to talk about HK and Xinjiang, meanwhile her riding has the worst homelessness and drug problems in all of Canada. I will be fair though, it's not like she doesn't care about these things, but everything about Xinjiang and HK will only ever be TALK. She can actually DO for Vancouver and Canada, but instead she only ever TALKS.
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At best Ai is a spoilt idiot idealist with his head so far up his own arse he has zero idea about how the world works.

The only reason he got the Olympics gig was because he was a spoilt party princeling. And the only reason he has been made popular in the west is because he is a spoilt party princeling willing to talk shit about China to the western msm.

If not for his parents, he would be nothing.

As such, I have zero respects for him or his ‘achievements’ and see him as little more than another useful idiot for the west.

It seems very odd to set the bar so low as traitorous cockroaches or western politicians just in order to make him look better in comparison.
 
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xypher

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Overbom said:
Another exclusive market for China's IC industry.

I am telling you guys, i dont know why people are saying that these US Presidents are anti-China. They are always helping China

Trump was quite a big fan of China but it seems that Biden wants to surpass him. He has 3 more years achieve this. Hopefully he will work hard
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No wonder called him "friend" during their meeting :D
 
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