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Arnies

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Because celebrities have a certain degree of influence over their audiences. Even if what they say is just outright dumb, their fans will consume it like a dehydrated person drinking water since they basically made their favorite celebrities part of their identities. The Kris Wu situation and the now defunct fanatical fan group who wanted to save him are one example of such a phenomenon.

Wow. I am out of the loop have they defunct Kris Wu's fandom? And what about EXO-Ls?

Besides China really did the right thing coming hard down on Kris Wu and his basically in jail I can't believe that and dude thought he was above the law but China has really proven here that nobody is strong enough or powerful enough to evade the law in China this sets good example to follow for other countries and SK really does give half-assed punishments to celebrities and they are basically untouchable
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Wow. I am out of the loop have they defunct Kris Wu's fandom? And what about EXO-Ls?

Besides China really did the right thing coming hard down on Kris Wu and his basically in jail I can't believe that and dude thought he was above the law but China has really proven here that nobody is strong enough or powerful enough to evade the law in China this sets good example to follow for other countries and SK really does give half-assed punishments to celebrities and they are basically untouchable
I don't know about EXO-L's group, but for Wu's group, here are some articles on that fiasco:
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The regulators basically reined them in, and I agree. Celebrities have to be reined in. Their undeserved influence over people is dangerous and can lead a society as whole onto a self-destructive path.
 

Overbom

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The regulators basically reined them in, and I agree. Celebrities have to be reined in. Their undeserved influence over people is dangerous and can lead a society as whole onto a self-destructive path.
The CAC is actually going in a crusade against such unhealthy practises. They have recently released a lot of new regulations for these matters.

2022 will be a major "clean up" year. Expect that by end of 2022, the internet will look a lot more different than a year ago
 

Arnies

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I don't know about EXO-L's group, but for Wu's group, here are some articles on that fiasco:
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The regulators basically reined them in, and I agree. Celebrities have to be reined in. Their undeserved influence over people is dangerous and can lead a society as whole onto a self-destructive path.

These EXO-ls are EXO fans. Kris Wu use to be a member of that band called EXO and they use to have a rapid fandom. It would be hilarious to see China cracking down on EXO-Ls. I just never imagined that to occur but here we are but either way celebrities do get really easy of in most countries with only public shaming without consequences but now I hope this sets a new trend
 

Arnies

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The CAC is actually going in a crusade against such unhealthy practises. They have recently released a lot of new regulations for these matters.

2022 will be a major "clean up" year. Expect that by end of 2022, the internet will look a lot more different than a year ago

How? care to elaborate? cleaning up more celebrity worship or creating a healthy environment
 

Arnies

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No concessions, no breakthroughs: Russia, US talks on Ukraine sour​

Both Moscow and Washington were not optimistic going into negotiations regarding the impending crisis between Russia and neighboring Ukraine.​

By REUTERS

Published: JANUARY 10, 2022 00:23

Russia said on Sunday it would not make concessions under US pressure and warned that this week's talks on the
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might end early, while Washington said no breakthroughs were expected and progress depended on de-escalation from Moscow.

The hard line from Moscow underscored the fragile prospects for negotiations that Washington hopes will avert the danger of a new Russian invasion of Ukraine, at the tensest point in US-Russia relations since the Cold War ended three decades ago.

Talks begin on Monday in Geneva before moving to Brussels and Vienna, but the state-owned RIA news agency quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying it was entirely possible the diplomacy could end after a single meeting.

"I can't rule out anything, this is an entirely possible scenario and the Americans ... should have no illusions about this," he was quoted as saying.

"Naturally, we will not make any concessions under pressure" or amid constant threats from participants in the talks, said Ryabkov, who will lead the Russian delegation in Geneva.

Moscow was not optimistic going into the talks, Interfax news agency quoted Ryabkov as saying.

The US prognosis was similarly gloomy.

"I don't think we're going to see any breakthroughs in the coming week," US Secretary of State
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said in a CNN interview.

In response to Russian demands for Western security guarantees, the United States and allies have said they are prepared to discuss the possibility of each side restricting military exercises and missile deployments in the region.

Both sides will put proposals on the table and then see if there are grounds for moving forward, Blinken said.

"To make actual progress, it's very hard to see that happening when there's an ongoing escalation, when Russia has a gun to the head of Ukraine with 100,000 troops near its borders," Blinken said in an interview with ABC News.

Ahead of the formal talks, US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman met with Ryabkov on Sunday in Geneva and told him Washington "would welcome genuine progress through diplomacy," the State Department said.

Ryabkov told reporters his meeting with Sherman had been "complex but businesslike," Russian new agency Interfax said.

Tens of thousands of Russian troops are gathered within reach of the border with Ukraine in preparation for what Washington and Kyiv say could be an invasion, eight years after Russia seized the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine.

The comments from Russia's Ryabkov, who has compared the situation to the 1962 Cuban missile crisis when the world stood on the brink of nuclear war, were consistent with the uncompromising line Russia has been signaling for weeks.

RED LINES​


Last month, Russia presented a sweeping set of demands including for a ban on further NATO expansion and an end to the alliance's activity in central and eastern European countries that joined it after 1997.

The United States and NATO have dismissed large parts of the Russian proposals as non-starters.

The United States was not willing to discuss pulling some US troops out of eastern Europe or rule out expanding NATO to include Ukraine, Blinken said.

To abandon its demands for a more-limited agenda would be a major climb-down that Russia seems unlikely to make, especially after weeks of troop movements near Ukraine and a series of tough statements from President Vladimir Putin.

The Kremlin leader has said that after successive waves of NATO expansion it is time for Russia to enforce its "red lines" and ensure the alliance does not admit Ukraine or station weapons systems there that would target Russia.

Ukraine won a NATO promise in 2008 that it would be allowed to join one day, but diplomats say there is no question of that happening any time soon.

NATO said it is a defensive alliance and Moscow has nothing to fear from it. That is far from Putin's world view, which sees Russia as under threat from hostile Western powers he says have repeatedly broken promises given as the Cold War ended not to expand toward its borders. The United States and its allies dispute such pledges were given.

In two conversations over the past five weeks, US President Joe Biden warned Putin that Russia would face unprecedented economic sanctions in the event of further aggression against Ukraine. The Group of Seven nations and the European Union have joined in threatening "massive consequences."

Putin said that would be a colossal mistake that would lead to a complete rupture of relations.

In addition to the Geneva talks, Russia is also due to hold negotiations with NATO in Brussels on Wednesday and at the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe in Vienna on Thursday.

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Overbom

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How? care to elaborate? cleaning up more celebrity worship or creating a healthy environment
There were the algorithm regulations released some days ago. It has quite a lot of detailed rules on what algorithms should allow to be done in internet services. Toxic fandoms, paying-for-views, artificial popularity and a lot of other nefarious tricks that social media love to use to keep users hooked up in their services (Facebook is a good example)
There were also some other rules released in October-December.

So to summarise, rules/regulations were created in 2021. In 2022, the gigantic regulator's hammer will demolish any resistance from big tech(implementation time).
 

Arnies

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Seems like things are coming to a head in Ukraine and East europe specifically.. How do you see this eventually playing out as there is no political solution and what do you think both parties approaches will be

US, Russia take firm lines ahead of crucial Ukraine talks​

  • 24 MINUTES AGO

Moscow sees "difficult" talks with Washington over Ukraine and NATO as US warns of the risk of confrontation and Russia rules out concessions.​


A top Russian diplomat has predicted "difficult" talks with the United States this week after attending a working dinner with US officials in Geneva as part of the kickoff to a string of meetings in three European cities this week, with ties at a low over Russia’s military buildup near Ukraine.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov and other Russian officials met on Sunday for over two hours with US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, the head of the US delegation, and her team at the luxury residence of the US ambassador to the Conference on Disarmament that overlooks Lake Geneva.

The dinner was a prelude to a broader discussion between the two teams at the US mission in Geneva starting on Monday — culminating a string of meetings both virtual and in person among US officials, their Western allies, and Russian leaders in recent days and weeks as tensions over Russian pressure against Ukraine have grown.

"We plunged into the substance of the forthcoming issues, but the talks are going to be difficult," Ryabkov told reporters as he left the dinner meeting. "They cannot be easy. They will be business-like. I think we won't waste our time tomorrow."

US reaffirms position on Ukraine

US State Department spokesman Ned Price said that during Sunday's dinner Sherman "stressed the United States' commitment to the international principles of sovereignty, territorial integrity, and the freedom of sovereign nations to choose their own alliances," a reference to Ukraine and its aspirations of joining NATO.

Sherman "affirmed that the United States would welcome genuine progress through diplomacy," Price said in a statement.

The talks are seen a first step toward rekindling dialogue as ties have worsened because Russia has deployed an estimated 100,000 troops along its border with Ukraine. Concerns have risen about a broader Russian military incursion in the country.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's government has laid out a list of demands, such as seeking guarantees that the NATO military alliance won't seek to expand any further eastward to countries like Ukraine or Georgia, which are former Soviet republics.

"The Russian side came here with a clear position that contains a number of elements that, to my mind, are understandable and have been so clearly formulated — including at a high level — that deviating from our approaches simply is not possible," Ryabkov said.

Asked whether Russia was ready for compromise, he said: "The Americans should get ready to reach a compromise."

Russia repeats demands

Russia was coming into the talks seeking a clearer understanding of the US position, and cited signals from Washington that some of the Russian proposals can be discussed, Ryabkov said earlier on Sunday, according to state news agency Tass.

He laid out Russia's three demands: no further NATO expansion, no missiles on Russia's borders, and for NATO no longer to have military exercises, intelligence operations or infrastructure outside of its 1997 borders.

US officials expressed openness on Saturday to discussions on curtailing possible future deployments of offensive missiles in Ukraine and putting limits on American and NATO military exercises in Eastern Europe — if Russia is willing to back off on Ukraine.

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Arnies

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Clickbait headline by the author of the article.

The meeting has not happened yet. As usual, before any meeting between adversaries, there is a lot of puff and fluff sprinkled with heavy doses of pessimism.

Let's wait for the meeting to happen before drawing any conclusions

Sergey Ryabkov has made a statement tonight after meeting with Deputy foreign minister Sherman in preliminary talks on Sunday night preceding the talks on Monday saying this is difficult talks and besides Russia knows this talks will not lead anywhere because they have different opinions and differ greatly here. I can't imagine in a world where both sides will make concessions especially NATO. I don't see them wanting to exit there eastern european bases.

The Russians didn't enter this talks thinking it will work no not at all they are experienced enough to know this
 
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