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Overbom

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No idea why Assange sought refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy.

Had he gone to the Chinese or Russian embassy instead, he'd have been freed long time ago.
Not a smart cookie isn't he? What did he expect by going to the Ecuadorian embassy??
Did he somehow assume that Ecuador is some kind of a superpower?

If I was Ecuador's President I would cut a quick deal with the US/UK and ship him back to the West ASAP.
If you are a small and poor country you don't want a superpower gunning for you
 

Kaeshmiri

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No idea why Assange sought refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy.

Had he gone to the Chinese or Russian embassy instead, he'd have been freed long time ago.
Actually at that time Wikileaks was exposing the US Military and Russia raised this in international forums. So Assange was being called a Russian asset by the US Media. Hence to avoid giving credence to that label he decided against going to the Russian Embassy.

Regarding China it wanted none of this headache ( China also doesn't have a track record of accepting dissidents from other nations as it goes against the Non Interference Policy).

So Assange chose a "Neutral" country in Ecuador which worked from quite some time until he got thrown out. And tbf he too was partially responsible for that. He was fuckin up Ecuadors relations with many countries as he used to expose not only US but also UK, Spain, France etc. On top of that Wikileaks also released documents related to Ecuadorian Presidents Corruption . That was the final nail in the coffin. Imagine attempting to expose the President of Ecuador and then not expecting action.

The work he does is very explosive in nature and he doesn't spare any country in his leaks . So ultimately no matter which embassy he would've chosen he would've caused headache for the host.
 

Overbom

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Actually at that time Wikileaks was exposing the US Military and Russia raised this in international forums. So Assange was being called a Russian asset by the US Media. Hence to avoid giving credence to that label he decided against going to the Russian Embassy.

Regarding China it wanted none of this headache ( China also doesn't have a track record of accepting dissidents from other nations as it goes against the Non Interference Policy).

So Assange chose a "Neutral" country in Ecuador which worked from quite some time until he got thrown out. And tbf he too was partially responsible for that. He was fuckin up Ecuadors relations with many countries as he used to expose not only US but also UK, Spain, France etc. On top of that Wikileaks also released documents related to Ecuadorian Presidents Corruption . That was the final nail in the coffin. Imagine attempting to expose the President of Ecuador and then not expecting action.

The work he does is very explosive in nature and he doesn't spare any country in his leaks . So ultimately no matter which embassy he would've chosen he would've caused headache for the host.
Should had gone to Russia.
He didn't and now he is a goner..
 

Kaeshmiri

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Should had gone to Russia.
He didn't and now he is a goner..
Yes. There's a reason Snowden chose Russia. They cant be bullied or pressured into submission. They are also very tolerant to criticisms (something the West ignores). While in Russia, Snowden has criticised their Human Rights record and attacked Putin multiple times but never got targeted by the State Machinery for it.
 

taxiya

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The Cold war is a collection of proxy wars, one of which is Korean war. Did China win the Korean war? No, it's a stalemate. Maybe if China wins Korean war, then Korea will abandon it's alliance. I don't see a situation where being big economy or population will result in voluntary US expulsion from peninsula, or voluntary Korea ending the alliance. It takes winning the Korean war to do that. (And also no, I'm not expecting the US collapsing like Soviet Union, although that would be wonderful...even in that scenario of US collapse, what makes you think SK won't go nuclear immediately?)

The South Koreans have zero spine to stand up to Americans, they have no independent foreign policy. The status quo should be permanent.
Cold war was between US and USSR. Not every conflict involving one of the two should be lumped in cold war. If you involves everyone (NK and China), then it is not finished, then why would people talk about cold war 2.0? So don't put everything in a big mess, otherwise everything lost meaning.

For NK and US, it was a stalemate as both of them started and stopped at the same spot. China entered the war at the time when US troops were standing right at the south bank of Yalu river. China ended the war standing right at the 38 parallel line 200km south. Now you tell us what is a win.

China's objective in that war was the 38 line, no more no less. That was why China openly warned the US not to cross it, and China only entered the war when US crossed that line. China made it clear via Indian ambassador that the red line is for the US and its proxy troops, not SK.

The Koreans certainly have a big say to the future of the peninsular. China as its direct neighbour certainly has a big say. But China is not US and will never be. You can rest your concern, China has lasted for thousands of years without acting like the west, and we are outlasting them.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
"Freedom of Speech": allow CIA to influence your media.

"Democracy": allow the CIA to overthrow your government after they have thoroughly spread their propaganda through your population.
The problem is convincing the people of the countries that are antagonistic towards China.
 

taxiya

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The problem is convincing the people of the countries that are antagonistic towards China.
Think about what happened in the US in the past 5 years, the US population has been polarized evenly with uncompromising attitudes of B&W on every subjects. I think even the US propaganda machine can not convince its own creations on opposite sides. So I would not bother to convince any such people anywhere around the world. The point is, personal interest will convince people, propaganda can fool people for a short while then will reveal its nasty part in sun light. It will take time, but everything takes time.

So we are back to what Chinese leadership has been saying "走自己的路,发展是硬道理", "walk our own way, development is the hard logic". By extension, propaganda is just a cheap trick for the stupid.
 
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