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FangYuan

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Most Turks want Xinjiang independence, not just Erdogan.
That's too bleeping bad, it ain't going to happen and never will. That land has been a part of China since the time of Tang Dynasty and it wasn't even always Muslims in terms of religion since it was Buddhist dominated faith....Xinjiang was never part of the Ottoman Empire or any of the Turkish empire as far as I am aware of...they can lay claim to Bulgaria when the Ottoman Turks managed to push itself into Europe during their expansion but beyond that zilch...

The most interesting thing is that many Turks hate Erdogan and blame Erdogan. They claim that he doesn't care about the uighur problem

Certainly Erdogan wants to repeat the Nagorno-Karabakh war script in China. But the problem is that China is not weak as Armenia.

Currently, China is very rich, he has a lot of assets, technology patents .... If China is a weak nation like Qing dynasty, I am sure 100% will have a new version of 8 countries alliance, but this time is not limited to 8. It is 10, even 20 countries into China to rob - rape - burn - killing. Their reason is to protect the Freedom and Uighurs's rights. If Xinjiang is separate from China and becomes an independent country, it will weaken China permanently and Turkey has more voices, which can affect China in the long term.

Finally, all moral and history are just their tools to insult and attack China. Greedy is their true face.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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The last few pages are so void of any nuance, geopolitics, knowledge of the political history of premodern and modern Turkey and filled with hatred, wishful thinking and political partisanship that I only have one thing to say: LMAO!

I won't even bother explaining or refuting you guys. I'll let you simmer in your bubbles of hatred and jealousy while Turkey is slowly but surely carving its own path into an increasing multi-polar world despite haters and naysayers.

Success breeds jealousy!

Happy Holidays!
Well, am intrigued and interested with your opinion on the current path/trajectory Turkey is on at the moment. I gather that based on your comment that you're either Turkish or a Turkey supporting person which is great but please explain why is your President macro-economic actions and overall strategy are going to meet the success you and your like minded people assume will be the case.

What is the proper role for Turkey in today's growing multipolar world, How is Turkey going to be able to dance and abide with it's duties and responsibilities as part of NATO and it's integration with E.U. and it's commitment or partnership with her neighbors in Asia.

I only offered to critique his penchant for hyper-nationalism and as an outsider, he comes across no different than Donald Trump. Sure, Erdogan has been in politics and a political animal for decades surviving the days of secular military-civil controlled Turkey along with his past relationship with his former benefactor that's living in the U.S. whose name escapes me.

It's not a crime for anyone's countries leaders to huff and puff about their country’s past, present, and future glories and achievements. But the grand ambitions must be aligned with reality and not fanciful thinking.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The most interesting thing is that many Turks hate Erdogan and blame Erdogan. They claim that he doesn't care about the uighur problem

Certainly Erdogan wants to repeat the Nagorno-Karabakh war script in China. But the problem is that China is not weak as Armenia.

Currently, China is very rich, he has a lot of assets, technology patents .... If China is a weak nation like Qing dynasty, I am sure 100% will have a new version of 8 countries alliance, but this time is not limited to 8. It is 10, even 20 countries into China to rob - rape - burn - killing. Their reason is to protect the Freedom and Uighurs's rights. If Xinjiang is separate from China and becomes an independent country, it will weaken China permanently and Turkey has more voices, which can affect China in the long term.

Finally, all moral and history are just their tools to insult and attack China. Greedy is their true face.
I mean, if Turkey or any dumb ... nations want to play that game then China should lay claim to Vietnam, Australia since most of the earliest inhabitants/settlers of that land were Chinese immigrants anyway so why not use the same dumb ass formula the Turks and along with the usual whiners, usurpers love to employ.
 

siegecrossbow

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Erdogan has publically said that he wants Turkey to follow China's model to become an export oriented country.

Someone please tell him that while China was poor it didn't pretend to be a superpower or whatever. Instead it sat back and quitely worked for decades while trying to be as a friendly as possible with all countries

Here, the stable genious Erdogan is making enemies out of everyone while starting the transition to the Chinese model..

Also someone tell him that businesses also want to have stability in order to invest money. With Turkish Lira in free fall every day, you are entering hyperinflation territory where everyone is jumping on the train of raising prices by double digits every month or so
This is spiralling out of control now.

I saw one analyst saying that if a weaker currency was all that was required to grow a country, Zimbabwe would already be a superpower lol

Following the Chinese path is rather difficult for a populist government. The Deng style strategy of "laying low and biding your time" means that superior powers could subject you to potentially humiliating situations and you would just have to "take it" until you've built yourself up sufficiently.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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That's too bleeping bad, it ain't going to happen and never will. That land has been a part of China since the time of Tang Dynasty and it wasn't even always Muslims in terms of religion since it was Buddhist dominated faith....Xinjiang was never part of the Ottoman Empire or any of the Turkish empire as far as I am aware of...they can lay claim to Bulgaria when the Ottoman Turks managed to push itself into Europe during their expansion but beyond that zilch...
Technically, Han dynasty, not Tang. The Han dynasty established control of the region via military outposts to fight the Xiongnu and for trade purposes.
 

MixedReality

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Lol the only way WTA will be satisfied is if Peng Shuai claims she had sex with the WTA president

If China allows the WTA to host another tournament in China while the current anti-China WTA leadership is in power, it will be a weak move by China. If the WTA wants to return to the Chinese market, they must have a full clean out of the WTA leadership. It is time China played hardball.
 
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