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solarz

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Thanks. How often do structures like bridges collapsed in this case are due to faulty workmanship and or lack of rigorous engineering quality inspection. Situation like these are often used, highlighted in many western media as proof or further evidence of Chinese lackluster and bad quality engineering projects.

These things happen all the time all over the world. Just google "US highway collapse" and see how many different incidents you get.
 

taxiya

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Looks like bad design. At minimum, the outer lanes of the overpass needs to be closed to traffic.
I don't think so. It is not an uncommon design everywhere.

Los Angeles
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Cape Town. don't be fooled by the bulky column on the top. The supporting point is a much smaller joint. And the load is only supported by the narrower base.
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Somewhere not in China
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taxiya

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As I recall a lot of the times it's because a weight-overrated heavy truck already itself overloaded causes the structure to collapse. @taxiya which is more common bad design or overloading I'm not too sure about this

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There is no good design if it is abused beyond its specification. Any good design will be crushed under exceeding force.

The proper question besides the construction quality are:
  1. Is the truck or are the trucks overloaded regardless where they were?
  2. Is the truck(s) overloading the bridge even if they are properly loaded?
  3. Is there any sign of warning of permitted load?
  4. Is there an off ramp for "overloaded" lorries to get off at or after the sign?
  5. Did the driver ignore any of these signs and ramps?
You should never under-estimate how crazy Chinese drivers are especially the business drivers, sleep driving, overloading cargo and passenger, driving opposite direction on highway for missed exit ramp, driving on forbidden lanes etc.
 
As I recall a lot of the times it's because a weight-overrated heavy truck already itself overloaded causes the structure to collapse. @taxiya which is more common bad design or overloading I'm not too sure about this

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coming from Ministry of Transport spokeperson, blaming the weight-overrated heavy truck is too convenient. The collapse highway had 3 lanes and a narrow column to support the bypass, This looks like a accident waiting to happen. It may be acceptable if the highway was restricted to 2 lanes only. The torsional force from unbalanced heavy load on the outer lanes will cause the bypass to tilt and collapse.



Zhou Rongfeng, deputy head of the Ministry of Transport's road network management department, said at a news conference that the two trucks, each carrying more than 100 metric tons of steel, caused the accident.
 

taxiya

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Thanks. How often do structures like bridges collapsed in this case are due to faulty workmanship and or lack of rigorous engineering quality inspection. Situation like these are often used, highlighted in many western media as proof or further evidence of Chinese lackluster and bad quality engineering projects.
I don't follow every incident, so don't count me for the answer. This is the 2nd incident that I am aware of. The last one happened in Jiansu. It was the fault of the driver who overloaded his lorry by many tonnes. And that many tonnes were put on the area of less than 20 square meters.

No, I don't give a dime to what the western media say. There is no way anybody can do anything if they are determined to lie. If you bother, you loose. Just take the vaccine as an example, have they stopped BS? Are they going to stop? If anyone outside of China believes them, then there is no way you can bring them back because they want to believe.
 
There is no good design if it is abused beyond its specification. Any good design will be crushed under exceeding force.

The proper question besides the construction quality are:
  1. Is the truck or are the trucks overloaded regardless where they were?
  2. Is the truck(s) overloading the bridge even if they are properly loaded?
  3. Is there any sign of warning of permitted load?
  4. Is there an off ramp for "overloaded" lorries to get off at or after the sign?
  5. Did the driver ignore any of these signs and ramps?
You should never under-estimate how crazy Chinese drivers are especially the business drivers, sleep driving, overloading cargo and passenger, driving opposite direction on highway for missed exit ramp, driving on forbidden lanes etc.

A good design will anticipate the worse case scenario or maximum possible load and will put restrictions on avoid such overloading from happening, i.e. restrict traffic to 2 lanes if the supporting structure is unable to support excessive loads.
 

taxiya

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coming from Ministry of Transport spokeperson, blaming the weight-overrated heavy truck is too convenient. The collapse highway had 3 lanes and a narrow column to support the bypass, This looks like a accident waiting to happen. It may be acceptable if the highway was restricted to 2 lanes only. The torsional force from unbalanced heavy load on the outer lanes will cause the bypass to tilt and collapse.
So you are saying that the bridge has to support unlimited load? The two lorries weighted more than 200 metrics tonnes together. That is 4 main battle tanks. How many roads in the world allow them to travel in close formation?

Post Breaking & World News! III NO DISCUSSION!! demonstrated three or more lanes standing on a single supporting column. That is just a random search in 5 minutes.
 
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taxiya

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A good design will anticipate the worse case scenario or maximum possible load and will put restrictions on avoid such overloading from happening, i.e. restrict traffic to 2 lanes if the supporting structure is unable to support excessive loads.
Then there is no good design in the world, because the maximum is infinite. In the Wuxi incident that you quoted, more than 200 metric tonnes equivalent to 4 main battle tanks in close succession. I don't think there is any highway viaduct on this planet is designed good enough for this scenario. And I am sure this scenario is not the worst nor maximum possibility, because if this incident did not happen that day, a 3rd colleague of the two will join them with another 100 metric tonnes another day until they crash another bridge.
 
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