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Bellum_Romanum said:
And here's the venerable, super duper UNIFIED E.U. ON BEIJING WINTER OLYMPIC BOYCOTT: DISUNITY AND INCOHERRENCE.


INTERNATIONAL RELATIONSEU nations balk at diplomatic boycott of Beijing Olympics

Germany and Austria urge caution against 'politicizing' Games

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock speaks with the media as she arrives for a European Union ministerial meeting in Brussels on Dec. 13. © AP

YASUO TAKEUCHI, Nikkei staff writerDecember 14, 2021 06:55 JST

BRUSSELS -- Several members of the European Union have distanced themselves from a U.S.-led diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Winter Olympics in February.

Top diplomats representing EU states disclosed their positions on the issue as they gathered Monday for the bloc's Foreign Affairs Council meeting.

"Politicizing sporting events like the Winter Olympics does not seem useful to me," Austrian Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg told reporters.

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock called China an "important partner" when it comes to climate change and other issues, indicating an unwillingness to unduly sour relations.

But the response from Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis reflected the tensions that have developed between his nation and China.

"I'm not going," Landsbergis said. ME: GOOD AND STAY IN LITHUANIA BECAUSE YOU WERE NEVER INVITED TO BEGIN WITH. :p



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BMW CEO told the Green Party to watch their mouth, probably.
 
Bellum_Romanum

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How should Chinese policies and actions adjust to establish a sustained cooperative relationship with the United States?

From 1945 to 1991, China was engaged in a series of wars that nearly broke them. This generation has been through hell: the Great Leap Forward, hunger, starvation, near collision with the Russians -- the Cultural Revolution gone mad. I have no doubt that this generation wants a peaceful rise. But this generation's grandchildren? They think that they have already arrived, and if they begin to flex their muscles, we will have a very different China. Grandchildren never listen to grandfathers. The other problem is a more crucial one: if you start off with the belief that the world has been unkind to you, the world has exploited you, the imperialists have devastated you, looted Beijing, done all this to you -- this is not good. If I were America, Europe, or Japan, I would spend time to make sure that the mindset of the younger generation is not one of hostility, but one of acceptance and an understanding that you are now a stakeholder, which was Bob Zoellick's very apt description of their role. Make them feel that they are stakeholders, and if this earth goes warm, they will be in as much trouble as anyone else.

It is vital that the younger generation of Chinese, who have only lived during a period of peace and growth in China and have no experience of China's tumultuous past, are made aware of the mistakes China made as a result of hubris and excesses in ideology. They have to be imbued with the right values and attitudes to meet the future with humility and responsibility. The authors of China's doctrine of peaceful emergence are acutely conscious that as China resumes its recovery, it has the responsibility and self-interest to assure its neighbors, and the world at large, that its emergence is benign, not a threat but a plus for the world, that it will try to avoid disruption and conflict. China is aware of the problems its rapid growth will present to the rest of the world and wishes to work together with the international community to minimize the disturbance. It is to the good of China to study how to mitigate the adverse impacts of its growth.

The ways in which Chinese superiority will be expressed will undoubtedly be quite different than in the earlier era. Take the current case of East Asia, where they have, obviously, established a dominant economic position in relations with their neighbors, and used that position including access to a market of 1.3 billion people and significant investments in other countries to their advantage. If states or enterprises do not accept China's position and pay appropriate deference, they are faced with the threat of being shut out of a rapidly growing market with 1.3 billion people.

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Personal comment:

The concluding paragraphs to one of the most honest and frank discussion and advice for how should and could have the U.S. handle their relationship with China. But am afraid because of U.S. inherent belief to the universality of their values, the superiority of their ideas and race it couldn't simply shackle itself from the heaviness of the deep cultural bias it long held against Asians, against Chinese and China. As some expert have written on another publication, the U.S. has indeed sleepwalking more like bulldozing herself into a titanic civilizational confrontation against a foe it has never faced before in it's 245 year history.

Since the U.S. has and is determined to make China her bogeyman well China will indeed fulfill her wishes and dreams to make it all come true and turn that dream into nightmares and our world suffers as a result. What a pity and tragedy for the rest of mankind.
 
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solarz said:
I find that hard to believe, is China going to be sanctioning Biden while he's a sitting president?

Even afterwards seems unlikely, since afaik, China hasn't sanctioned Trump.
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More like tragetted "sanctions" against particular senators and their states. For example, less purchase of food grains and overall cooperation with a Red state whose GOP senator pushed for these Anti China measures.
 
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badoc said:
I certainly did not bring up the idea that Malaysian Chinese laid blame on China for their predicament.
Malaysian Chinese culture certainly is not the "original" unblemished one,
Inconceivable that any Chinese would think so, or did you mix me up with another member.
It is not surprising that China with 1.4 billion have some who are uncouth.
Similarly in Singapore but on a much smaller magnitude.

I feel the frustration of many Malaysian Chinese who have to further their education overseas in Taiwan, Australia, etc, despite having excellent academic scores.
Many come and work in Singapore after being discriminated and deprived of employment opportunities in their own country.

Then there are also those who benefited by working against their own communities to receive favors from their Malay overlords like those from the Malaysian Chinese Association.

One comfort in Singapore is we can call up or visit a Government department or Public Institution and converse in Mandarin.

Yeah, we are a tiny city state apprehensive of neighbors who are envious of our level of development.


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The Speak Mandarin Campaign was first launched in 1979 by then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew.
It encourages Singaporean Chinese to embrace the use of Mandarin in their daily lives, and enjoy an appreciation for Chinese culture.
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I was commenting on the below 2 posts by you, in which you somehow wanted to "give Hendrik a break" by insinuating that somehow he might be a Malaysian Chinese. Not sure how others read it. But that's how I interpreted your statements.

So, I cannot let this pass as I need to nip this thought in the bud.

badoc said:
Agreed, the Chinese are not having a good time in Malay apartheid Malaysia.
China is unable to do what he wishes for China to help oversea Chinese living under racial discrimination.
Lets give Hendrik a break.
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badoc said:
Not likely from Singapore.
Singapore Chinese are not crying for China to help oversea Chinese.
On the other hand, Malaysian Chinese are living under the yoke of racial discrimination.

I feel his frustrations.
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Also, I would not read too much into the politics of Malaysia. It's a democracy that votes every 4/5 years, nowadays mostly hotly contested. And we all know how these systems work, as politicians only care about votes. The Malaysian Chinese Association, which I'm no fan of, however is not the one that cancelled those China linked infrastructure projects. Both sides of the Malaysian political divide attack the Chinese, one targets the native Malaysian Chinese, the other focusses on China. The supposedly "free" internet press like Malaysiakini that is critical of the government and supposedly champions minority rights, has the CIA's NED as one of its sponsors, and is vehemently anti-China.

All I'm saying is we must be very careful not to drink the Kool-Aid being fed by the West. We must maintain a cool head when analysing the situations affecting us the Chinese diaspora, and the geo-political happenings around China and its interests.
 
siegecrossbow

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Overbom said:
No. These are investment sanctions which block any Americans from investing in these companies

The say I see it, the US first does these investment sanctions to give time to American investors to pull out and after some time it will sanction exports to it.
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If you have money in Chinese stocks listed in NYSC now is a good time to cut your losses. Writing has been on the wall for half a year now. I’ve foolishly underestimated the gravity of the situation.
 
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Overbom said:
No. These are investment sanctions which block any Americans from investing in these companies

The say I see it, the US first does these investment sanctions to give time to American investors to pull out and after some time it will sanction exports to it.
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This means that there will be a growing incentive for those targeted by the US to burn down the US economy by any means necessary, for there will be nothing to lose at that point.
 
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