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This young lady ought to get a job with China's State Security. She was able to fool a lot of people in China pretending to be a socialite and in the process shows what most of the people in the world knows that people of privilege tend to always get extra privileges and breaks the underprivileged amongst us don't usually get and that's respect and dignity.
I have great esteem for Pakistan but let's get real here. Turkey and Pakistan have high population, sure.
But that's just 300 million people that don't even have a semiconductor fab, ability to machine heavy equipment, etc.
Don't mistake high population fed by grain and chemical imports from industrialized countries, for actually having the ability to maintain that population.
Let's look at semiconductors, 1 part of high tech in the 21st century.
You see any Turkish or Pakistani plants on there? But I see Russian plants.
Let's look at aerospace, another part of high tech in the 21st century.
You see any Turkish or Pakistani rockets on there? But I see Russian rockets.
You want me to keep going? Russia is still a top tier industrial and military power. This is unbelievably obvious except those who pretend to be blind and stupid.
Semiconductors or numerous satellites won't win you a conflict alone but a real conventional presence.. They have the necessary logistics to get the job done besides Turkey is ahead of Russia in alot of fronts in the tech industry. Russia satellites could be taken down blinding them. They will eventually have to get their hands dirty and approach from a conventional sense and enter an engagement they likely will be outnumbered and out-logistic.. There are alot of other facets.. But NATO is a whole another beast they have numbers plus logistics, tech etc etc they don't have weak points and the only way to appraoch them is a similar sized coalitions.
Russia doesn't have anything they don't have except a larger stockpile
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broadsword
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Besides Armenia was using the best Russian tech possible it got bypassed by Turkey quite easily using Electronic warfare blinding their systems and opening up the Armenian's for aerial bombardment because their defense couldn't do anything because it was taken out by the EWs
Iraq had a 'real conventional presence' What happened to Iraq?
Egypt had a 'real conventional presence'. What happened to Egypt?
Where specifically is Turkey ahead of Russia in tech? Go ahead, just name a sector.
Who has blinded a satellite in all of history? Can Turkey even detect Russian satellites? I doubt it.
lmao out logistics. That's hilarious. Turkey can barely project power into Syria. They've failed to defeat even Assad who was fighting a 3 front war, and you want to try Russia???
Why do you even bring up Iraq all his army fled and they never had conventional presence and ragtag weapons. He was holding them hostage. What Egypt? It was not in a war more then half a century how are these examples viable here as an example. Saddam was like Vietcongs at first go? They were never gonna hold of the US..
Turkey is ahead of Russia in EWs. Drones, jammers, Subs, Sub drones, Laser tech, and AI. They haven't really produced anything noteworthy since the soviet era. Turkey has invaded Syria on 4 occasions successfully.. Including Iraq and Libya.
We talking about modern era warfare
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Turks are always so insanely chauvinistic about their tech considering they still rely on NATO severely.
Areas Turkey may be ahead of Russia are niche or experimental technologies (if they are ahead of them). Russia has decades of experience making virtually all military hardware from tanks and rockets to basic machine guns. I believe things may change in the future, but that would be still decades away at best.
As things stand today Turkey wouldn't last 5 minutes against Russia, you are deluded my friend.