solarz
Brigadier
I don't think you understand the dynamics. Nixon didn't cause China to turn against the Soviet Union, the Sino-Soviet split happened long before.
Today, both China and Russia are careful to cultivate a friendly relationship.
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I don't think you understand the dynamics. Nixon didn't cause China to turn against the Soviet Union, the Sino-Soviet split happened long before.
Today, both China and Russia are careful to cultivate a friendly relationship.
Schrodinger's China. It exists in a superposition of total dominance and complete collapse.
bajingan
Senior Member
I don't think the average russian citizens are more "westophilia"
According to chicago Council on Global Affairs and the moscow-based Levada Center
China scores 74% favorability while
only 45% of russians held positive views of the european Union, while the u.s. scored even lower at 39%.
bajingan
Senior Member
russian deep state/fsb (which under putin has grown increasingly powerful) won't ever allow their country to become a vassal of any country
So if any putin successor ever try to sellout russia like yelstin or gorbachev, he will soon be drinking polonium tea
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
It seems that China thinks it's better to play victim like Chinese like talking about the 100 years of humiliation. They let the WTA make the decision to leave so it looks like it was the WTA. We talk about how China should be pro-active like China should've quit the WTA as soon as they made a stink over Peng Shuai but there seems to be the philosophy to let the other side make the moves so it doesn't look like Chinese brought this upon themselves. The problem with that is it gives the other side the perception they're in power. The West loves to think they're in power. Is tennis really a big sport in China like basketball? China let the WTA in China because tennis is something in the West. It's a prestige sport of elitists. The WTA is in China only because they make extra pocket change. I don't hear of professional tennis going to China is the place to go for big players to match up and win big money. If WTA events in Asia were being cancelled due to COVID-19, all the more the WTA could spin and take advantage. The WTA can afford to dump China and now they get all this good press in the West for acting against China. It's not because they're taking a stand for a cause. They're taking advantage so they can get good press. Look at the LPGA. They don't like Asian women winning because it's a lot more than just playing golf. It's the whole pageantry. It's the whole culture hence why they don't like Asian women playing golf because they're just there to win. If Asian female tennis players were the elite players of the WTA, you don't think we would hear the same complaining? Look at the insults towards Serena Williams actually being a man and it's mostly coming from whispers in Europe where they're suppose to be the most evolved in the world. Look at professional women's figure skating. It use to be one of the top spectator sports in the US. Now it's relegated to basic cable. And what happened to see this turn? Asian female ice skaters started dominating the sport.
No one looks at China as the victim so there's no benefit from trying to play victim. Besides the West's victim culture is designed so that only a small few are seen as victims while the point is everyone else gets ignored and gets resentful fighting amongst one another on who's more the victim. Asians aren't high on the list to be seen as victims. Traditional victims were resentful that Asians got all this attention because of the rise in anti-Asian violence because of COVID-19. People who want to play victim do it because they want sympathy. China isn't going to get any sympathy from the West. Because China seeks acknowledgement and acceptance from the West, that gives all these smaller entities and countries superficial power over China. China can still play these sports without the West but then the whole point is having the West involved like having Western associations to seem like Chinese are elevated. Get those Chinese in government that value those things removed...
No one looks at China as the victim so there's no benefit from trying to play victim. Besides the West's victim culture is designed so that only a small few are seen as victims while the point is everyone else gets ignored and gets resentful fighting amongst one another on who's more the victim. Asians aren't high on the list to be seen as victims. Traditional victims were resentful that Asians got all this attention because of the rise in anti-Asian violence because of COVID-19. People who want to play victim do it because they want sympathy. China isn't going to get any sympathy from the West. Because China seeks acknowledgement and acceptance from the West, that gives all these smaller entities and countries superficial power over China. China can still play these sports without the West but then the whole point is having the West involved like having Western associations to seem like Chinese are elevated. Get those Chinese in government that value those things removed...
Amen.
I have long advocated for total decoupling with the West on sport matters. Instead China should create its own sport rules/associations/competitions with the developing world/SCO/ASEAN etc
However as you said China acts like it wants Western love or respect. Its really a mental illness. Good thing that there is Xi. Slowly but steadily he is removing these idiots from positions of power and he is engineering a cultural move against Western worshipping
However this will unfortunately take a long time to be completed. Until then we will have to suffer through idiotic people looking like clowns in order to get a "thumps up" from the West
I absolutely hate such simp-like behaviour
Τhis is because of the way the CCP chose to interact with the west, especially after "the right turn" and the peaceful coexistence with the West. Too deeply engaged to just split. Ironically, the Khrushchev's doctrine of peaceful coexistence with the West and the market reforms in the USSR at those times, were also the beginning of the Sino-Soviet spilt. You know, if leftists start to fight each other for ideological reasons they forget who is the real enemy. Back in the day, USSR and Communist parties worldwide made their own commie Olympiads, the Spartakiads
It's becoming increasingly stacked against China in the Olympics. While I dont think so, should China withdraw from the Olympics?