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OppositeDay

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She’s likely under house arrest and told not to speak to the press.

She's certainly warned not to speak to the press. Probably under some sort of surveillance. But house arrest is unlikely, IMO.

This discussion is making me want to watch Snail House/蜗居 again. Anyone knows if there is a HD version of the show somewhere?
 

OppositeDay

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AFAIK, Xi has never issued any kind of blanket amnesty or so called "bargains" for retired officials. You made an extraordinary claim without any sources.

Since you found the 2015 example not convincing enough, here is another one concerning an official who retired in 2014 and he didn't turn himself in. He was caught last year.

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Former Deputy governor of Hebei retired 2014 according to his baidu profile.
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It's almost common knowledge, not an extraordinary claim at all. You can find references in the official media where they often state it explicitly when an official continued to engage in corruption after the Sixteenth Congress, making it clear that corruption after 16th Congress was an especially bad offence.

Unless sexual assault can be proven or Zhang seriously abused his power to benefit Peng after the 16th Congress, Xi has little ground to go tough on Zhang.
 

Tyler

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Agreed. I just got annoyed watching the news in Toronto (CP24) presenting the news about Peng basically stating like it's a matter of fact that Peng's allegation is factual and that the government official she's made the allegation against is a current official. There's also news reports in western publications pushing a clear agenda that the official is connected to Pres. Xi and the reason it's not being pursued for investigation is because of abuse of power and collusion.

In my opinion it's very important that anti corruption policy must be applied as equally as possible regardless of factional affiliations so that people in the country will not be lead to believe that the government rules and laws applies to those who are not with the ruling faction.
If western media and governments actually do the same to their own politicians.
 

texx1

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It's almost common knowledge, not an extraordinary claim at all. You can find references in the official media where they often state it explicitly when an official continued to engage in corruption after the Sixteenth Congress, making it clear that corruption after 16th Congress was an especially bad offence.

Unless sexual assault can be proven or Zhang seriously abused his power to benefit Peng after the 16th Congress, Xi has little ground to go tough on Zhang.
Labeling corruption as especially bad offense after 16th national congress is not as same as not prosecuting retired officials for prior corruptions. Since you said it's almost common knowledge, I am sure it wouldn't be difficult for you to provide sources regarding the so call "bargains".

Also the 16th national congress took place in 2002. If there was a bargain as you claimed, CCP wouldn't have started an focused investigation of corruptions in the Inner Mongolia's coal industry reaching back for 20 years (all the way to year 2000). This anti corruption investigation has already caught 1656 officials.

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OppositeDay

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Labeling corruption as especially bad offense after 16th national congress is not as same as not prosecuting retired officials for prior corruptions. Since you said it's almost common knowledge, I am sure it wouldn't be difficult for you to provide sources regarding the so call "bargains".

Also the 16th national congress took place in 2002. If there was a bargain as you claimed, CCP wouldn't have started an focused investigation of corruptions in the Inner Mongolia's coal industry reaching back for 20 years (all the way to year 2000). This anti corruption investigation has already caught 1656 officials.

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Of course I meant the 18th. It has been stated explicitly that the anti-corruption investigations are to be focused on officials who refused to stop after the 18th Congress.

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And the coal industry corruption investigation was prompted by fresh cases in 2020. Like I said, those kind of corruption are backed by networks of patronage. As the network continued to engage in corruption even to 2020, of course people in these networks, which often include retired officials, are going to be investigated. Again I never said earlier acts of corruption won't be investigated. If there are new crimes, old crimes get investigated too.

In any case, it makes no sense to compare cases of large-scale systemic corruption to an affair (decades old sexual assaults claims are difficult to prove). Having an affair is enough to ruin an official's chance for promotion, but not enough for serious disciplinary action. It's not like Zhang's men are running a sex crime ring up to this day.
 

weig2000

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What's the deal with her and the former high ranking CPC politician that was apparently closes to Pres.Xi? She has made a very serious allegation that she was a victim of some kind of sexual harassment a.k.a. a me too movement in China and this time it's against a former high ranking official.

Why can't the government actually stand by their pledge of rooting out corrupt and horny officials like this fella who had an illicit and illegal affair with Peng Shuai? Now, because of her supposed u turn and lack of clarity regarding her whereabouts China as a whole is being dragged through the mud again from the usual suspects in the west and this time it's a little juicy due to the official's high ranked status within the CPC.

According to Peng's personal statement in Weibo, which I read, she did not accuse Zhang of sexual harassment or forced sex or anything that nature. Also, Peng specifically said she did not seek or got any benefits, monetary or others, from the relationship. It's basically a sexual relationship between consenting adults. I guess she was pissed off or at least disappointed that Zhang moved on.

One could argue Zhang was taking advantage of his power or influence implicitly, but Peng was voluntary and out of her own will. There have been nothing exchanged.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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According to Peng's personal statement in Weibo, which I read, she did not accuse Zhang of sexual harassment or forced sex or anything that nature. Also, Peng specifically said she did not seek or got any benefits, monetary or others, from the relationship. It's basically a sexual relationship between consenting adults. I guess she was pissed off or at least disappointed that Zhang moved on.

One could argue Zhang was taking advantage of his power or influence implicitly, but Peng was voluntary and out of her own will. There have been nothing exchanged.
But now the WTA President is wading in and making demands for the situation to be investigated by relevant Chinese authorities otherwise WTA is prepared to leave the Chinese market. That demand alone p..sed the bleep out of me for the gal of these western led institutions having these temerity to make such demands on a country like China as if it's a two bit country.
 

texx1

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Of course I meant the 18th. It has been stated explicitly that the anti-corruption investigations are to be focused on officials who refused to stop after the 18th Congress.

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And the coal industry corruption investigation was prompted by fresh cases in 2020. Like I said, those kind of corruption are backed by networks of patronage. As the network continued to engage in corruption even to 2020, of course people in these networks, which often include retired officials, are going to be investigated. Again I never said earlier acts of corruption won't be investigated. If there are new crimes, old crimes get investigated too.

In any case, it makes no sense to compare cases of large-scale systemic corruption to an affair (decades old sexual assaults claims are difficult to prove). Having an affair is enough to ruin an official's chance for promotion, but not enough for serious disciplinary action. It's not like Zhang's men are running a sex crime ring up to this day.

重点查处 means taking a priority to investigate, it doesn't mean not to investigate (不查处). It served as a warning to those who were thinking about corruption and those who were already corrupted. It didn't absolve corrupted officials of their crimes. They might received lighter sentences for earlier corruptions. But, there was never any "bargain" made by any senior CCP officials or Xi specifically for retired officials in 18th national congress. My posted examples have already shown retirement is not immunity when it comes to corruption investigations.

As for Peng, the whole thing is just the latest juicy episode of CCP infighting this year. We will probably see a lot more as the 20th national congress gets closer.
 
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