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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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I am split on this. You know how Trump and the Republican warmongers roll. I am sceptical on prefering Trump to win the election.

He is far too dangerous, and who knows, maybe even the Congress wouldn't be able to restrain him.

On the other hand, a Trump election would be by far the deadliest blow to the US global hegemony. He would single-handedly give the opportunity to China to become an accepted and recognized, by the rest of the world, superpower
They can cry all they want about communism and "cCp" but the world would gladly open their arms for China to balance a lunatic America

Dangerous times are ahead. The Republicans are warmongers and this is why i am worried for the future. I would rather have a Democrat win and have the US decline steadily instead of suddenly imploding with Trump
I prefer a Trump victory or a figure like Trump so that not only it'll finally put a nail into the coffin of "American political exceptionalism nonsense" but will also send a matter of fact message to some of the persistent googly eyed Liberal/woke Chinese to better wake up and smell the coffee/tea bags because America is not your friend, never was and never will be. All the flowery rhetoric that's been said and employed were said begrudgingly and simply stating reality and history, and because of necessity to access China's giga market, but when it comes to China being allowed to roam free as she sees fit is a no bueno. China is only ever allowed to flex it's wings under the umbrella of the U.S. full stop.
 

BlackWindMnt

Captain
Registered Member
Question why did china reject the oil shipment? Are they helping the US with sanctions now?
Sounds more like a US excuse kind of like how they blown up that family in Afghanistan uuhm i mean Isis-k fighter.
Have there been past examples where China would order oil/gas from Iran and then reject it at the drop point?
Im not familiar how it works on the energy market.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
I am split on this. You know how Trump and the Republican warmongers roll. I am sceptical on prefering Trump to win the election.

He is far too dangerous, and who knows, maybe even the Congress wouldn't be able to restrain him.

On the other hand, a Trump election would be by far the deadliest blow to the US global hegemony. He would single-handedly give the opportunity to China to become an accepted and recognized, by the rest of the world, superpower
They can cry all they want about communism and "cCp" but the world would gladly open their arms for China to balance a lunatic America

Dangerous times are ahead. The Republicans are warmongers and this is why i am worried for the future. I would rather have a Democrat win and have the US decline steadily instead of suddenly imploding with Trump
The Democrats are not peaceniks contrary to what you may perceive of that party. It was the Democratic Party that started the Vietnam War under Johnson's made up lie of the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Nixon the simp, expanded the war into Laos and Cambodia. It was under the Democratic stewardship that the funding of Mujahideens in Afghanistan gained traction or started, push forth by Congressman Wilson, strategic concept pushed by Zbigniew Brezenski (N.S.C) to Carter which he never regretted supporting or arming the supposed terrorists that came out of their adventures in Afghanistan. It was under Clinton that bombed and killed Chinese personnel at the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during Operation Allied Force in Kosovo and prior to that there was Somalia and the embarrassing battle of Mogadishu, the invasion of Haiti in 1994 that mission was headed by Gen.Hugh Shelton who eventually became the Chairman of the Joints Chief..Clinton then launched a couple of cruise missiles into Sudan for the alleged terrorist attack masterminded by Osama in Kenya and Naiorobi..the Cole attack in the middle east. And the infamous Madeline Albright interview with CNN where she said that the killing of 500,000 of Iraqis including were worth the sanctions imposed on Iraq.

So with all due respect, the Democrats are just much of a devil and actually more of a snake and dangerous than the Republicans. With the Repubs, what you see is what you get. No pu..y footing around, you know where they stand and you understand that they come with some bigotry laced in their policies and at least not trying to f..ng bait you with "virtue signaling b.s." that's been the hallmarks of the Democratic Party and their politicians.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Well that sounds like the first serious signal of US surrender. Only thing left is for China to give it some face and tariffs will get lowered

"Trade wars are good, and easy to win"
- Trump
Just a distraction and smoke screen. Biden is doing two things right now.
  1. Continue sabotaging China's relationship with EU by things like "xinjiang" => bad political atmosphere => EU parliament blocking CAI. Also encouraging American proxies in EU to stir up "taiwan" matter. Overall, building containment around China.
  2. Trying to get China's retaliatory tariff lowered or removed.
By the time (IF) the tariff reduction is agreed, the damage to China and EU relationship is beyond repair. The U.S. will win, both China and EU will loose. This is exactly what US did to Australia. However, in that case, China does not care much about Australia compared to reducing tension with US. But EU market is totally different story to China. I think the chance of US and China settlement has passed and is leaving further day by day as Biden is continue what he is doing. In a Chinese phrase, this is the time of 死磕. Only by toughening on US would China make the rest (EU) to think carefully about their future regarding China.

Biden is playing similar tricks as Trump. Trump put tariff on everybody, then separately negotiate concessions with Japan, EU, Australia, Canada etc. So everybody is hoping to gain the "prestige" or the "favor". Anyone who took that "favor" would set an example for others to follow. But they all loose in the process because they were the beggars. At that time, EU and China did not bulge, we will have to wait and see what EU does this time. But even if EU gives in, China should not bulge if China is aiming to be a leader. Actually this is the only option because other options are being dominated by US.
 
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9dashline

Captain
Registered Member
Just a distraction and smoke screen. Biden is doing two things right now.
  1. Continue sabotaging China's relationship with EU by things like "xinjiang" => bad political atmosphere => EU parliament blocking CAI. Also encouraging American proxies in EU to stir up "taiwan" matter. Overall, building containment around China.
  2. Trying to get China's retaliatory tariff lowered or removed.
By the time (IF) the tariff reduction is agreed, the damage to China and EU relationship is beyond repair. The U.S. will win, both China and EU will loose. This is exactly what US did to Australia. However, in that case, China does not care much about Australia compared to reducing tension with US. But EU market is totally different story to China. I think the chance of US and China settlement has passed and is leaving further day by day as Biden is continue what he is doing. In a Chinese phrase, this is the time of 死磕.
In the post Peak world its negative sum pie and last man standing squid game style.

Only one winner.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Question why did china reject the oil shipment? Are they helping the US with sanctions now?
That’s a very good question indeed!

Normally you would need to have had some serious quality issues for a shipment to be sent all the way back like that. As the shipping costs would be quite significant, so if it was only a minor issue, the seller would almost certainly agree to steep discounts to avoid having to turn the ship around since that tanker would almost certain have had subsequent jobs lined up for after it has delivered the original shipment, which it now won’t be able to do so would need to be compensated for on top of the fees for the return trip.

It’s also very odd for the USN to show such interest in this returning tanker, as if they were trying to enforce sanctions and hurt Iran economically, it makes no sense to intercept this tanker on the return trip rather than when it was heading out to China in the first place.

Part of me wonder if the US secretly managed to sabotage the shipment and was hoping it would damage Chinese refineries if they tried to process the trap oil (remember the recent totally not suspicious refinery explosion in Russia?). With China already suffer energy shortages, a major incidence that takes one of its refineries offline for a fair amount of time would be extra damaging.

But China managed to detect the bad oil and sent it back to Iran for full investigation and the Americans were trying to seize it to prevent their plot being revealed to the world.
 

9dashline

Captain
Registered Member
Part of me wonder if the US secretly managed to sabotage the shipment and was hoping it would damage Chinese refineries if they tried to process the trap oil (remember the recent totally not suspicious refinery explosion in Russia?). With China already suffer energy shortages, a major incidence that takes one of its refineries offline for a fair amount of time would be extra damaging.
Most plausible hypothesis that fits all the data.... this is the only thing that makes it make sense....

Between Evergreen that got stuck in that canal after drawing a dick pic, and also that other oil spill that happened off Chinese coasts a couple month ago with a collision under suspicious circumstances... too many coincidences, didn't US say CIA created a division just to target China?
 
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