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Fedupwithlies

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The Xinjiang issue is decades in the making and on this article dated as far back as 1998 illustrates how much of a scammer the C.I.A. really is as an organization. It failed to predict the Soviet collapse so it wanted to write a report that pushes the agenda of racial and ethnic strife in China as the way to split and ultimately break the country apart.


......He (Dr.Fuller) speculates that his research, which found that any breakup in China was unlikely in the next three years, ran counter to prevailing belief in the agency. He says he was reinstated as head of the project only after he threatened to sue the university over allegedly violating his contractual right to noninterference with scholarly research.

Fuller, who has been at UH for 29 years, further believes that the university retaliated by denying him the chair of the geography department. Malahoff said the UH Professional Assembly executive board is likely to agree to arbitrate that grievance in a meeting this weekend.

The office of UH President Kenneth Mortimer, who is in Asia, had no comment. The CIA, according to a Reuters news report, also had no comment on Fuller's study.

Richard Dubanoski, UH dean of social sciences, said he took Fuller off the research -- although the CIA gave no reason for its request -- because he believed he had no other choice. He learned later that the CIA had no right to remove Fuller, only to cancel the entire contract.

Dubanoski also decided that the CIA had treated Fuller unfairly, and returned the professor to the project. He said he made that decision before any threat of a lawsuit. A letter about his reinstatement later went to the CIA as part of a settlement of his grievance on being removed.

Dubanoski pondered accepting funding from "potentially tainted organizations," and only did so when he was assured that none of the research would be classified.

Dubanoski also said he gave an acting department chair to another faculty member after Fuller and a second nominee tied for the spot. He said his decision was based on the good of the department, not retaliation against Fuller.

Fuller, a geography expert on population studies chosen last year to head the study, said two CIA representatives came to the UH for an informal meeting on methodology in December. At the meeting, Fuller mentioned that any ethnic breakups in East Asia were unlikely. Shortly after, the representatives threatened to cancel the contract.

"They told us flat out that our report was useless unless it matched what officials on East Asia said," Fuller recalled.

Fuller, a consultant to the CIA since 1985 and once a scholar-in-residence at CIA headquarters, said he was unaware of anything wrong with the research. But under pressure from the CIA, the university removed him as supervisor of the research in mid-March.


"Without even a hiccup, they (university) said sure," Fuller said. "In fact, all they were interested in was getting payments from the contract."

Citing former colleagues at CIA headquarters, Fuller said that after the agency failed to predict the Soviet collapse, in-house analysts had apparently been moving toward the belief that ethnic conflict in China would spark a breakup there.

"People supervising these grants are under heavy pressure to get results that are satisfactory to everyone," Fuller said

According to Reuters, the CIA declined comment on Fuller's study, the reason for wanting him pulled, or its opinion on ethnic breakdown in China. But it praised Fuller's work in the past, according to references from a CIA official on Fuller's behalf in 1990.

"He has been instrumental in our efforts to identify problems of the next century before they assume crisis proportions," wrote Richard Stakem, then-director of the CIA's Office of Resources, Trade and Technology.

Reuters reported that the CIA said it often turned to academics to "challenge conventional wisdom and engage in healthy debate." Seven scholars across the country contributed to Fuller's August report.

It described Xinjiang province, home to Sunni Muslim Uygurs and Kazaks, as the major flash point for ethnic tension. However, "while it is not inconceivable that a portion of China might break off some day, we are convinced this will not occur within the three-year time horizon of this study."



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Story sounds familiar. The Americans don't like reality, they prefer their own little world.


"The project never got published because of it. "It just didn't pass the sniff test", apparently. Because according to our own metric, some Chinese people would be living better lives than some Americans, and, without even looking into whether that was true or not, the people funding the project just assumed that was impossible and stopped funding."
 

9dashline

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Now banning the other point of view in the name of free press. What hypocrisy. I feel some of us here should start editing Wikipedia as well. Get a few good lines in before they ban us. But we can come back like sleepy student and keep chugging along. lol
Won't be long before Wikipedia geofences Chinese IP addresses altogether... You cannot really edit wikipedia the way you could say back in 2008, these days they have an AI system that simply reverts your changes.... and every page already has an established group of folks 'watching' it.... so only pro-US/West narratives get through.... Wikipedia is a lost cause... even the original founder/owner admitted as much
 

AssassinsMace

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Artificial intelligence can be used to discriminate against people. There's a question mark in the minds of Westerners on how China will use technology. They don't have proof Chinese will abuse new technologies like artificial intelligence but because they don't know, they will work to deny technology to China. You're guilty for crimes they say you will commit in the future. That's called discrimination. They think China will use AI to discriminate against people when they're already doing it without AI. And they think they can be trusted not abuse new technology? They already are with today's technology.
 

B.I.B.

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"New Zealand has pledged to cut its net greenhouse gas emissions by 50% by 2030, toughening its previous ambitions to limit global warming on the eve of the United Nations Cop26 climate conference."
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Yeah right, It probably will go off and spend a billion dollars on a reforestation projection in Indonesia or something and take the "carbon credits".
 

plawolf

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"New Zealand has pledged to cut its net greenhouse gas emissions by 50% by 2030, toughening its previous ambitions to limit global warming on the eve of the United Nations Cop26 climate conference."
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Yeah right, It probably will go off and spend a billion dollars on a reforestation projection in Indonesia or something and take the "carbon credits".

Australian specific, but applies to pretty much all western nations in general.

 

NiuBiDaRen

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There's no such thing as dirty steel. It's a sound bite to attach Chinese products, just like Australians saying their coal is clean coal. It's all bullshit.
Well if Australian clean coal is used to produce dirty Chinese steel, the question is how did it become dirty? Just by being associated with yellow people? Headbanger.

Lmao now they saying climate change hinges on China and India to solve.
 

windsclouds2030

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Things always have two sides. One is the raw force, the other is the facade/diplomacy/legality. Although raw force is the deciding foundation as the saying goes "one can not gain anything on the negotiation table without gaining it from the battle field", most of the time people fight equally hard (as in the battle field) at the table for the legality of their positions, after all the difference between human society and the jungle is that a piece of paper has a great value.

I was trying to say (and I believe that you agree) that both Qing's effort on the negotiation table in 1850 and PRC's raw power in 1980s are irreplaceable in China's effort to recovery Hongkong.
I think you may have heard this line in the contemporary world, just a couple of years back:

The Rule of the Jungle: “Fall behind and you will be beaten” — Wang Yiwei, a professor of international relations at Renmin University of China in Beijing

To learn an academician
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is really a thought provoking!
 
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