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Overbom said:

"Dirty steel" is whatever the US/EU want it to be.

Same with dirty bikes. Dirty scooters. Dirty batteries. Dirty companies. Dirty factories. Dirty cotton. Dirty chips etc

Just change "Dirty" with "Chinese" and suddenly everything makes sense

Whatever is Chinese-made is to excluded from their market. The start is steel and aluminum. In due time other Chinese exports will follow

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1) Its a play on words following up Pompeo's "CLEAN NETWORK" propaganda when in fact the US network is most backdoored by far...

2) the insinuation is that China is the worst carbon polluter so any country that buys steel from China is contributing to global pollution so by buying steel from non-Chinese sources it is less dirty etc

9dashline said:

2) the insinuation is that China is the worst carbon polluter so any country that buys steel from China is contributing to global pollution so by buying steel from non-Chinese sources it is less dirty etc

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They will also go to downstream.industries.
"Oh these washing machines are made with dirty coal, banned",
"And these phones are made with dirty coal (electricity), banned",
and so on

Anyway, I am just talking about the future. For now they will be busy with the steel and aluminium industries

Overbom said:

They will also go to downstream.industries.
"Oh these washing machines are made with dirty coal, banned",
"And these phones are made with dirty coal (electricity), banned",
and so on

Anyway, I am just talking about the future. For now they will be busy with the steel and aluminium industries

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Yeah the whole Xinjiang muh-uglyers "genocide" / "slave labor" thing about cotton sourcing was just the start.... but it is all part of the bigger strategic decoupling that was going to happen sooner or later anyway...

China becoming fully self sufficient is a huge threat to the West because there goes a huge market that they had once relied on to harvest/tax and keep inflation down... the West realizing if they cannot subjugate China, they should at least do the best to collapse/contain Chinese economy so that China is unable to compete against the West for raw resources from the third world

Sooner or later China must revise its nonintervention policy much like it has changed its minimum deterrence policy when it comes to nuclear

9dashline said:

China better play this smartly

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There is nothing to play.

In the trade war, China's trade volumes go up.

In the tech war, Huawei sells less phones, while its Chinese competitors sell more phones. Then later, China cuts out American suppliers from their tech chain. Nothing personal, only business, as they cannot risk operations being stopped due to shortages, or bans, or boycotts.

China just keeps on doing what it is doing.

If someone slaps on tariffs on Chinese goods, China will retaliate. This is going back to the trade war that did not work.

If the tech war intensifies, well, China already has plans to cut those unreliable people out. China 2025 been widely known for years.

There is not much else China can do at this stage of the game other than keep doing what it is doing.

The funniest part is the CPTPP application. How awkward that is.

Overbom said:

I think we all agree that this is US' strategy

The question is what is the EU getting out of it?

The US wants to shallow the EU, but what does the EU want... This is why we are saying it is a racial/CIA thing

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Let's slow down.

Let's not ask what the EU is getting out of it that soon.

What exactly is the United States getting out of their tech war and trade war with China?

So far the result has been decreasing US tech sales to China, and increasing US trade deficit with China.

If those trade actions and tech actions were able to slow China down, then that could be justifiable. But the 5G national wide standalone network installation goes ahead on schedule in China, then all the breakthroughs in quantum computing, semi-conductor manufacturing, even hypersonic weapons.

Meanwhile the Chinese economy grows 3x or 4x times the rate of current US growth, and the money printing is only done by the latter.

They only thing working the propaganda. But why?

But why are the Americans insistence on propaganda victories? It did not work in Vietnam, and it definitely did not work in Afghanistan either. Maybe they have nothing better to do. Just go watch football, that is always entertaining.

Overbom said:

Whatever is Chinese-made is to be (eventually) excluded from accessing their market. The start is steel and aluminum. In due time other Chinese exports will follow

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They already tried this.

This is a trade war, with restrictions on market access, which lead to the Great Depression.

Complete bluff if those politicians are suggesting a 1930's style trade war.

If they are not suggesting a 1930's style trade war, then that is nothing but hot air for the unwashed masses.

They would believe it. Just like how they believed President Trump that take Colrox bleach is good to cleanse the bowels like a California salt water enema. President Trump was an expert on that crap.

9dashline said:

Yeah the whole Xinjiang muh-uglyers "genocide" / "slave labor" thing about cotton sourcing was just the start.... but it is all part of the bigger strategic decoupling that was going to happen sooner or later anyway...

China becoming fully self sufficient is a huge threat to the West because there goes a huge market that they had once relied on to harvest/tax and keep inflation down... the West realizing if they cannot subjugate China, they should at least do the best to collapse/contain Chinese economy so that China is unable to compete against the West for raw resources from the third world

Sooner or later China must revise its nonintervention policy much like it has changed its minimum deterrence policy when it comes to nuclear

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China spent the last three decades opening up to the west and it has been rewarded with open economic warfare. The Anglos want to subjugate and conquer anyone who could be more powerful than them.

9dashline said:

Yeah the whole Xinjiang muh-uglyers "genocide" / "slave labor" thing about cotton sourcing was just the start.... but it is all part of the bigger strategic decoupling

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Yes. The "genocide" and "dirty" lies are just a smokescreen for their real purpose, decoupling.

9dashline said:

Sooner or later China must revise its nonintervention policy much like it has changed its minimum deterrence policy when it comes to nuclear

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Agree. I guess it will happen in 6 to 15 years

horse said:

They already tried this.

This is a trade war, with restrictions on market access, which lead to the Great Depression.

Complete bluff if those politicians are suggesting a 1930's style trade war.

If they are not suggesting a 1930's style trade war, then that is nothing but hot air for the unwashed masses.

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You went straight to the point, very accurate analysis.

In the end there is 0 trade war, 0.5 trade war, or 1 trade war. The US went for 1 full trade war and got slapped back to reality by China.

So now they are trying to tiptoe around it and instead start a 0.5 Trade War. They will fail again..

Anyway, what's most important is the national comprehensive power of China. As long as it is high enough, then all those actions are meaningless

Just following the trade war discussion.

Interesting thoughts. My only contribution at this point is: Remember! Buy Chinese.

Overbom said:

You mean for India? Wont happen due to geopolitics

If you mean for the developing countries in general then there are problems. China already has contracts with some countries to build the Hualong nuclear plants.

However it is costly, for such an inportant thing Chinese products have a bad reputation in those countries (also thanks to western propaganda).
There are also supply chain issues. It is impossible to start building so many nuclear reactors

There are also issues with how long it takes to build a nuclear plant . From planning, to permits, to the inevitable lawsuits, to protests from locals, then from opposition politicians, testing, etc. It is a big mess

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France managed to increase the fraction of nuclear power in their electric grid to 70% in less than two decades. So it's not that it can't be done. But if you want to do it at a scale of countries like India and China then just using regular liquid water reactor technology won't cut it. There simply isn't enough U-235 isotope uranium lying around to power those reactors long term. You will need to either use thorium or fast reactors or both. You need some combination which will reduce the use of the limited amounts of U-235. China is already working on this by building two CFR-600 fast reactors. The idea is you will have a combination of conventional liquid water reactors and fast reactors and use that to generate power. The liquid water reactors burn the uranium once through and the fast reactors then burn up the remainder of the fuel. Liquid water reactors can only burn a miniscule fraction of the energy in nuclear fuel.