Miscellaneous News

Bellum_Romanum said:

This incident and alleged abuse must be examined objectively and f..ng punish the individual Chinese if they are found to be guilty of what's being alleged in this article. Somehow when we have few supposed ass..les like the above mentioned individuals the whole of China is being shitted and the whole Chinese people are being lumped together like we function in the same unscrupulous manner.

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yes, we need to stand from an objective perspective. It is necessary to find a way to prevent similar incidents from happening again. The sad thing is that we can only limit it, there is no way to get rid of it completely. From time to time there will be an incident involving the conduct of a few individuals that affects the honor of the country.

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My analysis below
"initial steps we will take to re-align our trade policies towards the PRC around OUR priorities:"

First, we will discuss with China its performance under the Phase One Agreement. China made commitments that do benefit certain American industries, including agriculture that we must enforce. President Biden will continue to promote our economic interests – and build confidence for American industry.

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Hot air. Chian can keep discussing with you till the end of time when necessary. It will be the year 2420 and China can keep "discussing" with you lol
Anyway, IMO a good signal that they want to communicate.

Second, while pursuing Phase One enforcement, we will restart our domestic tariff exclusions process to mitigate the effects of certain Section 301 tariffs that have not generated any strategic benefits and raised costs on Americans. We will ensure Section 301 tariffs align appropriately with our economic priorities like boosting American workers’ wages and job opportunities, securing the resilience of critical supply chains, sustaining our technological edge, and protecting our national security interests.

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That a straight up retreat but whatever..
Another good signal that they want to talk with China. There is room here for negotiations between China and the US for mutual win-win

Third, we continue to have serious concerns with the PRC that were not addressed in the Phase One deal, specifically related to its state-centered and non-market trade practices including Beijing's non-market policies and practices that distort competition by propping up state-owned enterprises, limiting market access, and other coercive and predatory practices in trade and technology.

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Nobody cares about US "serious concerns". It has been talking about them since 2000. Nothing new here, thats the standard diplomatic/economic speech that the US always does

Even as we work to enforce the terms of Phase One, we will raise our broader concerns with Beijing's non-market policies and practices like abuse of state-owned enterprises, anti-competitive behavior and subsidies, the theft of American intellectual property directly and in coordination with our allies and partners. We will defend American economic interests using the full range of tools we have and by developing new tools as needed.

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"Allies and partners" whatever. The EU will maybe agree with the US on some issues against China, but expect this to be a long-term thing. Lets first wait to see what will happen in the midterms and the 2024 Elections..

As for new tools, another medium/long-term thing

And lastly, we know that we cannot do it alone. We will continue consulting and coordinating with allies and partners who share our strong interest in ensuring that the terms of competition are fair, work collectively to set the rules of the road for trade and technology in the 21st century, and strengthen the global market for our workers and businesses.

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"Allies and partners" again. See my previous point about the EU.


To conclude, non-confrontation, but lots of room for negotiating with China. The US has been recently sending positive signals for engaging with China (excluding AUKUS...)
This trade deal might be the where US-China can start talking again and then gradually build up from there (yes, I am an optimist)

My summary:

First: More trade.
Second: Less tariffs.
Third: Our next major line of attack is on your non-market policies.
Finally: We will try to rope in our allies as well.

Bellum_Romanum said:

This incident and alleged abuse must be examined objectively and f..ng punish the individual Chinese if they are found to be guilty of what's being alleged in this article. Somehow when we have few supposed ass..les like the above mentioned individuals the whole of China is being shitted and the whole Chinese people are being lumped together like we function in the same unscrupulous manner.

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Let’s not assume immediately that the Chinese are guilty as charged, you know, innocent until proven guilty and all the jazz.

A lot of the allegations from that piece looks like recycled copy pasta from the Uighur Genocide playbook (forced to eat pork, sure because we all know meat is cheaper and easier to store than grains) while a lot of the rest makes no fucking sense (why are they bringing onboard African labourers to do no labour while the captain engaged in ‘suspensions activity’ for them to see and report instead?)

plawolf said:

Let’s not assume immediately that the Chinese are guilty as charged, you know, innocent until proven guilty and all the jazz.

A lot of the allegations from that piece looks like recycled copy pasta from the Uighur Genocide playbook (forced to eat pork, sure because we all know meat is cheaper and easier to store than grains) while a lot of the rest makes no fucking sense (why are they bringing onboard African labourers to do no labour while the captain engaged in ‘suspensions activity’ for them to see and report instead?)

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Well, I had to obligatory write or preface what I wrote to ensure and show that as a proud Chinese ethnic person am not going to white wash, deny or pretend that individuals in our ethnic group are not as fallible, misguided, or even demented that can easily be found on just about every racial groups/nationalities. We're HUMAN beings after all. Also, I don't want to be accused or be seen as being too defensive or would readily dismiss uncomfortable news about the actions by individuals either from China or simply from any Chinese diaspora.

plawolf said:

Let’s not assume immediately that the Chinese are guilty as charged, you know, innocent until proven guilty and all the jazz.

A lot of the allegations from that piece looks like recycled copy pasta from the Uighur Genocide playbook (forced to eat pork, sure because we all know meat is cheaper and easier to store than grains) while a lot of the rest makes no fucking sense (why are they bringing onboard African labourers to do no labour while the captain engaged in ‘suspensions activity’ for them to see and report instead?)

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I'm in Kenya and let me be frank with you; Africans love Chinese built infrastructure but they don't have a good reputation as employers.
The few abuse cases that come to light are amplified by media and used as anti Chinese propaganda and it is very effective.

Bellum_Romanum said:

This incident and alleged abuse must be examined objectively and f..ng punish the individual Chinese if they are found to be guilty of what's being alleged in this article. Somehow when we have few supposed ass..les like the above mentioned individuals the whole of China is being shitted and the whole Chinese people are being lumped together like we function in the same unscrupulous manner.

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Why do you assume the article is reporting the truth before any investigation? If this is from CNN or BBC, will you react in the same way?

Topazchen said:

I'm in Kenya and let me be frank with you; Africans love Chinese built infrastructure but they don't have a good reputation as employers.
The few abuse cases that come to light are amplified by media and used as anti Chinese propaganda and it is very effective.

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Did you investigate that this piece of article is actually based on fact? You know there are reports in the western medias that China harvest organs from FLG practitioners. Do you believe them? Now, just because this article is from a "supposedly" Kenyan outlet, you would believe it not lying?

I know Chinese employers are much more demanding than most other countries, that is a fact. But physical mistreatment is totally another accusation that must be based on fact.

P.S. are you living and working in Kenya (not a tourist)? I see that your profile says that you are from Toronto, Canada.

Petrolicious88 said:

Don't expect major concessions in trade. Most, if not all, tariffs will remain in place.

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Who is giving the concessions?

If the Americans reduce tariffs on Chinese goods to Wal-Mart, that helps Americans.

China does not need to reciprocate or retaliate.

It is almost none of China's business. The facts are the facts.

The double talk we are hearing from the Biden people serves to distract from the weak hand they hold.

Strategically, they do not have a plan on how to handle China.

Tactically, President Trump already played all the cards.

No strategical plan, no tactical moves available. All that is left is the double talk.

taxiya said:

Why do you assume the article is reporting the truth before any investigation? If this is from CNN or BBC, will you react in the same way?

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One can't just have the position that every negative reporting that pertains to anything Chinese must be met with defensive incredulity or assume that each and everyone of our fellow brethren are incapable of committing idiotic actions because it's utter nonsense. We must be confident enough to state that we're not afraid to call a spade a spade and that we will hold our own morons to account based on PROVABLE FACTS and not insidious innuendos.