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SlothmanAllen

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Just got back from watching The Odyssey and if anyone has any doubts about going to see the film due to some IMAX 70mm concerns, let me put them to rest. The film is fucking awesome!

Christopher Nolan does a great job of weaving the tale of The Odyssey, jumping back and forth in time to tell the tale of the Fall of Troy, the situation in Ithica, Odysseus struggles on his journey back home which ultimately converges with his vengeance of those that have wronged his family. Threaded throughout is a story of guilt, shame and loss of purpose.

What an excellent film.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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China is popular but the Chinese lack confidence to treat foreigner the right way. Japan and South Korea is no less popular but they don't actually be tolerant to foreigner the way the Chinese is. It is correlated to how the Chinese feel proud about themselves, which unfortunately I don't feel the Chinese is much proud of.
Just because some Chinese people feel insecure doesn’t mean the rest of us do....especially not in the mainland.
You’re comparing Japan and South Korea to China, but both of those countries are under effective U.S. military occupation. Japan’s situation is particularly stark - it’s a direct result of losing World War II. Their relatively welcoming attitude toward Westerners isn’t purely cultural; it’s heavily influenced by this military reality.
China has never been in that position. If a war ever broke out and Chinese troops started coming home in body bags, whatever patience or tolerance you see today would disappear overnight and be replaced by genuine, widespread hatred. And that would be catastrophic for the entire region.
Stop making sweeping assumptions about how Chinese people think.
 

Racek49

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Ruština je můj rodný jazyk, vyrůstal jsem v převážně ruském prostředí, studoval s nimi a v současné době s nimi pracuji. Myslím, že byste měl přestat romantizovat Rusy na základě svých dojmů jako turista, protože každého, koho jste viděl, jste s největší pravděpodobností viděl poprvé a naposledy, aniž byste pochopil kontext. Ale pokud se to naučíte alespoň na základní úrovni a dokážete pochopit, co Rusové říkají o Číňanech a jak hluboce je jejich nenávist k Asiatům zakořeněna v jejich kultuře, pak vám růžové brýle okamžitě spadnou. Podívejte se na toto seskupení jako „Русская община“, „Наследие тесака“. To jsou skupiny, které aktivně utlačují Asiaty a organizují pogromy s podporou státu a bezpečnostních složek. Nevidím smysl v dalším pokračování argumentu, toto vlákno k tomu není.
Jeden čas jsem s Rusy pracoval, často jsem tam jezdil. A stále sleduji ruský tisk a mnoho webových stránek. Většinou se o Číňanech vyjadřují kladně a podporují Čínu v jejím boji s USA. Mrzí je však, že se jim nepodařilo vstoupit do technologického pokroku jako Číně. Nedivte se, 20 let je před příchodem Putina okázale okrádali jistí nejmenovaní lidé. Stěžují si však na velmi agresivní obchodní zvyklosti Číňanů a obvyklý hluk turistů (v tomto ohledu však ruští turisté Číňany předčí. Někdy i Němce, a to už je co říct). Problém s Asiaty je opravdu velký. Jde však o nelegální imigranty, většinou ze středoasijských zemí, kteří se nejvíce angažují v černém trhu, hazardních hrách, pašování drog a zločineckých klanech. Jsou jich už miliony a někde se problém stává nezvladatelným.
Víte, oni prostě hodnotí podle chování. Nic divného, že? Stejně tak je to i tady v Evropě. Naopak s Ukrajinkami si docela rozumíme, tedy většinou s ženami, které pracují téměř výhradně v obchodě. Jedna z nich mi občas pomáhá s domácností. Uvařím jí, ona uklidí a pak si sedneme a popovídáme si. Ano, samozřejmě, dáma v letech.
S muži je to horší. Znám pár dobrých, ale ti jsou obvykle organizovaní a mnoho z nich je uživováno dávkami a manželkami. A o organizovaném zločinu bych raději nemluvil.
A máme tu další rasu, původem z Indie, a ti nechtějí pracovat. Žijí dost děsivým způsobem. Raději by taky ne.
No, dnes tu máme 4,5 % Ukrajinců. 450 tisíc. Co myslíte, je to málo?
Mimochodem, zažil jsem přímou okupaci vojsky SSSR... No, byl to pocit strašného ponížení a dlouho jsem to SSSR nemohl odpustit. Konečně jsem pochopil, v naší zemi probíhal politický převrat s náklonem na Západ a SSSR nechtěl ztratit strategický význam střední Evropy. No, věřte velmocím, že jo. Mimochodem, počet obětí této okupace se počítal na několik desítek. A small miracle. Mostly traffic accidents. I to byli Rusové.
 
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Phead128

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You are repeating yourself over and over again with the same crappy argument from /r/localllama.

Individuals aren't going to get to interpret what is or is not American; the US government will, and the US government will exclude those fine tunes as American, simple as that. If a business wants to claim the cost of tokens as business expense, it better has receipts from Anthropic and OpenAI. Otherwise, that business is going to have some explaining to do regarding the cash flow discrepency.
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In that case, the business will get to pick the poison of coming clean for using non-certified LLMs, or get investigated for, let's say, money laundering.

The onus of proving compliance will rest on the businesses, not the government. The US government also doesn't need to go after every single business that uses LLM. Merely going after those on the S&P500 would be enough to cause the money to be funneled back into the AI bubble.

That's just your opinion? Every U.S. legal expert has said this is virtually impossible to ban Chinese open source models.

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Can the U.S. government ban Chinese AI models like DeepSeek and GLM from American companies?​

Not comprehensively. The most significant constraint is technical: Chinese AI models released as open-weight systems — where the model's parameters are publicly downloadable — cannot be recalled once published. A U.S. company that has already downloaded GLM-5.2 or DeepSeek V4-Pro to its own servers for local inference is beyond the reach of any import restriction on that specific download. Additionally, legal experts have raised First Amendment questions about restricting access to already-published model weights, citing the established principle that software code can constitute protected expression. What the government can do: prohibit API routing of prompts through Chinese-provider endpoints (where live data flows to Chinese infrastructure), enforce procurement restrictions on federal contractors, and expand Entity List designations. A sweeping ban that removes already-downloaded models from private company servers has no established legal mechanism.
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Even our favorite Kyle Chan (famously anti-China) says it's not possible!

Why Washington Cannot Simply Ban the Models​

Kyle Chan of the Brookings Institution
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when CNBC asked whether a ban was feasible: "It's ultimately impossible to ban China's open-source AI models because their model weights are available freely on the internet. This could enter into First Amendment speech issues."
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“I think it’s probably going to be difficult to actually ban these Chinese models, but that’s not to say Congress won’t try,” said a senior GOP aide who works on AI policy, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly.
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It's possible that Congress will try to ban it, but as every legal expert has said, it's nearly impossible to enforce and has legal/constitutional issues (violation of First Amendment which protects software code as protected speech).

What's going to happen is US gov't is going to say any commercial company involving federal contracts cannot use "Chinese models" hosted locally or using direct end-to-end API endpoints with China-based entities. You can fine tune a Chinese model into another American model, and easily skirt this and host it on American servers locally or American cloud. So basically they are screwed at the end of the day.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Just got back from watching The Odyssey and if anyone has any doubts about going to see the film due to some IMAX 70mm concerns, let me put them to rest. The film is fucking awesome!

Christopher Nolan does a great job of weaving the tale of The Odyssey, jumping back and forth in time to tell the tale of the Fall of Troy, the situation in Ithica, Odysseus struggles on his journey back home which ultimately converges with his vengeance of those that have wronged his family. Threaded throughout is a story of guilt, shame and loss of purpose.

What an excellent film.
Watching the movie Odyssey felt like going on an odyssey of my own. I’ve never read the original book by Homer, but the film left a strong impression on me. It’s a story deeply rooted in sacrifice, love, resilience, loyalty, defiance, and unwavering dedication.
 

siegecrossbow

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I disagree. They exposed their true colors when they started gloating about wiping out all of the U.S. middle class by automating white collar jobs away two years ago.
 

RobertC

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Business scenario for American AI vs Chinese AI:

Two competing businesses both using high performance but not frontier models, both businesses having about the same token usage. One business pays full price for its usage and the other pays 30% of that price. Which business will remain competitive and which won't? There's no legislative means, even under the national security rubric, to change that competitive edge although it's likely the EU will try.

DeepSeek broke the American AI profit plans and walled gardens. There's no going back.
 

siegecrossbow

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Business scenario for American AI vs Chinese AI:

Two competing businesses both using high performance but not frontier models, both businesses having about the same token usage. One business pays full price for its usage and the other pays 30% of that price. Which business will remain competitive and which won't? There's no legislative means, even under the national security rubric, to change that competitive edge although it's likely the EU will try.

DeepSeek broke the American AI profit plans and walled gardens. There's no going back.
It’s better than that. Apparently DeepSeek is funded by a Chinese hedge fund that shorts US AI stock. This means that no matter who comes up with a good open source model, DeepSeek still wins.
 

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