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Topazchen

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Huge if true
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Seems clear to me what they want to do. They will (eventually) create their own economic sphere where they compete with each other (and other allies) but China would be excluded (forcing Western standards, "forced labour", "not a democracy" etc)

Wasnt expecting that to start happening so sooon. Good job to Biden for having such a great plan

Lets see how they implement it though
Will they also collaborate on consumption?
 

voyager1

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A Chinese nuclear power plant near Hong Kong had five broken fuel rods in a reactor but no radioactivity leaked, the [HK] government said

So a bunch of nothing again. The French better have a solid explanation why they dragged China through the mud on this. Otherwise they should all get kicked out.

Imagine having your nuclear partner talking to the US Gov about whats happening in a nuclear plant inside your country.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Huge if true
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Seems clear to me what they want to do. They will (eventually) create their own economic sphere where they compete with each other (and other allies) but China would be excluded (forcing Western standards, "forced labour", "not a democracy" etc)

Wasnt expecting that to start happening so sooon. Good job to Biden for having such a great plan

Lets see how they implement it though
Pompeo already talked about a clean network initiative, wouldn't be surprised they already have the infrastructure in place. With things like cloudflare content delivery networks. If cloudflare goes down a lot of the internet stops working. If they force 3rd parties to go through cloudflare they have pretty much the capabilities of a great fire wall.

A currency swap with Iran would be nice.
Can China help Iran with their Central bank digital currency i think stable coin crypto like currency can really improve trade in the SCO zone.
 

Gatekeeper

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About two years ago, I was watching a think tank panel discussion on US-China economic and technology relationship. This was when the Trump trade war against China was on-going and tech war had started. The panelists discussed about the Made in 2025 and then about China's aviation ambition, COMAC and all that. One of the panelists, James Lewis from CSIS, who was often quoted by media and press on China tech affairs, said that the global civilian aircraft market is barely enough for two players, and China should not enter the competition.

I guess I was quite impressed by his frankness and honesty, with no usual code words or phrases such as government support, state subsidies and any such things.

And you bought that?

True but having so many different innovative countries inside and with such a gigantic market to sell, I dont think they will have too much problems with inefficincies

So if you think EU, Japs and US is a gigantic market of roughly 700 million people. I guess you think China's market of 1.4 billion is a tad bit small then? For the west?

Maybe they should codify physics castration into the law? I don’t see it stopping otherwise.

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Super power India!

On the news today,

UK and Aus hail their historical trade deal!
It's becoming to look like a trade between two desperate nations.

It sort of reminded of last dance at the prom. Where everyone has partnered off, leaving the two uglies behind. And they thought, oh well, let's get together.

Scott Morrison strikes historic free trade deal between Australia and the UK with big changes ahead for Aussie farmers and expats - here's what it means for you​


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voyager1

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Western projection again
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The graveyard of empires calls to China​

Military presence may accompany the extension of the Belt and Road Initiative to Afghanistan
Given the much greater danger in Afghanistan and the political cost for Xi Jinping if workers come home in body bags
Americans prematurely celebrating again, they must think that China is stupid..

Before investing anything, China will meet all the stakeholders in Afghanistan and will give everyone a small "cut" of all the profits generated from Afghanistan sales to China

They might also train some local troops and provide them with mercenary security services. There wont be any PLA troops deep inside Afghanistan territory. (At most some light Chinese participation under the UN Peacekeeping umbrella)

Just watch how China deals with Afghanistan. It will be a masterclass of giving them carrots in order to keep everything in order.

Does the West really think that China doesn't have any experience with placating different factions? They should open a history book then because historically this was the "only" job that Chinese leaders did every day for their whole lives
 
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Maula Jatt

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Americans prematurely celebrating again, they must think that China is stupid..

Before investing anything, China will meet all the stakeholders im Afghanistan and will give everyone a small "cut" of all the profits generated from Afghanistan to China sales

They might also train some local troops and provide them with mercenary security services. There wont be any PLA troops deep inside Afghanistan territory. (At most some light Chinese participation under the UN Peacekeeping umbrella)

Just watch how China deals with Afghanistan. It will be a masterclass of giving them carrots in order to keep everything in order.

Does the West really think that China doesn't have any experience with placating different factions? They should open a history book then because historically this was the "only" job that Chinese leaders did every day for their whole lives
And they were in talks with the Taliban I believe

But yes still very dangerous gamble here cause a collapse of Afghan gov is imminent (after withdrawal) but that means

A- dealing with a religious fundamentalist group, I really don't trust that Chinese will come good here, no experience dealing with something like this except force which won't work in Afghanistan
B- Xinjiang issue may cause problem as a stable afghan Taliban gov won't just sit idly by and count the $'s
C- If you get approval from both Taliban and Afghan gov it doesn't mean things won't change in 10 years period, cause in case of Afghan gov collapse thierll likely be a rise of different warlords to counter Taliban who will take money from the opposing side (US, India etc) to fund thier campaign
 

steel21

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And they were in talks with the Taliban I believe

But yes still very dangerous gamble here cause a collapse of Afghan gov is imminent (after withdrawal) but that means

A- dealing with a religious fundamentalist group, I really don't trust that Chinese will come good here, no experience dealing with something like this except force which won't work in Afghanistan
B- Xinjiang issue may cause problem as a stable afghan Taliban gov won't just sit idly by and count the $'s
C- If you get approval from both Taliban and Afghan gov it doesn't mean things won't change in 10 years period, cause in case of Afghan gov collapse thierll likely be a rise of different warlords to counter Taliban who will take money from the opposing side (US, India etc) to fund thier campaign
A-stan likely will not collapse into total anarchy. Everyone has gotten too used to the revenue stream to go for a Mad Max world.

Taliban are not the religious zealots they are made out to be. In fact governing is probably the best way to moderate them.

If anything, the current Afghan government would be far more malleable for the US, who nurtured and trained them over a span of 15-20 years.

Of all the world powers, the Chinese are probably best equipped to deal with A-stan. They have substantial influence with Pakistan. They do not have the historical baggage of Russia, US or Europeans.
 

voyager1

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And they were in talks with the Taliban I believe

But yes still very dangerous gamble here cause a collapse of Afghan gov is imminent (after withdrawal) but that means

A- dealing with a religious fundamentalist group, I really don't trust that Chinese will come good here, no experience dealing with something like this except force which won't work in Afghanistan
B- Xinjiang issue may cause problem as a stable afghan Taliban gov won't just sit idly by and count the $'s
C- If you get approval from both Taliban and Afghan gov it doesn't mean things won't change in 10 years period, cause in case of Afghan gov collapse thierll likely be a rise of different warlords to counter Taliban who will take money from the opposing side (US, India etc) to fund thier campaign
Talibans are actually ok with China. Even with the whole Uighurs narrative that the West is pushing, Taliban has not been aggresive towards China.

Pakistan is a strong ally to have here. Any problem that may arise, Pakistan can solve it along with some Turkish help there.

Talibans know that China = $$$ and China will give them $$$ in order to have everyone in the same page.

The "trick" here is simple. As long as you get in your camp, the Talibans and other political forces in Afghanistan by giving them a share of profits, then they will also be actively working towards protecting and promoting Chinese investment.

And its not like Afghanistan will lose here. China will build infrastructure which will also benefit the country.

Electricity, clean water, schools, transportation network, jobs, lift people out of poverty etc

This is win-win which is why you see that Afghanistan is open towards joining the BRI
 
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