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manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Minm said:
No matter how people try to cope, the US flipping countries from pro China or Russia to pro western is not positive for China. Not just because of Venezuela itself, but also because of the signal it sends. Why should President Lula of Brazil feel safe to be in brics today? Now that he has the prospect of in the worst case an American colony as a neighbour

The Soviet Union didn't just prop up aligned governments through aid. Giving them advice and access to trade and technology is critical to show the population that they're benefiting from the relationship with the Soviets. Nobody expects China to give aid money to anti American governments. But China chooses to reduce trade when a country is under American sanctions and only smuggles in some often misdeclared oil. China hesitates to invest in sanctioned countries. China doesn't provide non financial help for them to develop their economies.

After Mao's death, the CPC has adopted the thinking of a merchant. But if China had really invested in Venezuela and Kuba to become successful, these two would have used up a lot of American attention that can now be directed at Asia.
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Investing in other countries is not free. Are those investments better spent in Venezuela, which may or may not fight like a Vietnam (or may even flip to the US side when bribed) or are they better invested into the Chinese economy, tech research, and military buildup? I support Venezuela just like any warm-blooded Chinaman, or anyone with a hint of justice, but they're not known to be all that competent while on the other hand, China is at the very top of the world in competence. So... who can use the resources better?
 
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Nevermore

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This year, I remain particularly concerned about Japan's potential pursuit of nuclear weapons and the United States' annexation of Greenland. Even if countries like Venezuela and Colombia were to fall under U.S. control, the impact would be extremely limited.

Japan's move toward nuclear armament will trigger comprehensive political and military tensions, or even conflict, across East Asia. Meanwhile, Trump's annexation of Greenland would reshape the entire European landscape. Many European nations may then alter their policies of relying on U.S. protection. Furthermore, U.S. ownership of Greenland would exert a degree of long-term global military influence that could constrain China and Russia.
 
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Nevermore said:
This year, I remain particularly concerned about Japan's potential pursuit of nuclear weapons and the United States' annexation of Greenland. Even if countries like Venezuela and Colombia were to fall under U.S. control, the impact would be extremely limited.

Japan's move toward nuclear armament will trigger comprehensive political and military tensions, or even conflict, across East Asia. Meanwhile, Trump's annexation of Greenland would reshape the entire European landscape. Many European nations may then alter their policies of relying on U.S. protection. Furthermore, U.S. ownership of Greenland would exert a degree of long-term global military influence that could constrain China and Russia.
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If what China media said is true that Japan will have nukes in three years, then that will change the calculus in the first island.

I don't think China wants any kind of conflict these upcoming years. In 2035, it is a different story but I don't think they want one now. Other than expressing anger of words, I don't know what else China can do.
 
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AndrewS

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bebops said:
If what China media said is true that Japan will have nukes in three years, then that will change the calculus in the first island.

I don't think China wants any kind of conflict these upcoming years. In 2035, it is a different story but I don't think they want one now. Other than expressing anger of words, I don't know what else China can do.
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China could sanction Japan and watch all their industries collapse?
 
Randomuser

Randomuser

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bebops said:
If what China media said is true that Japan will have nukes in three years, then that will change the calculus in the first island.

I don't think China wants any kind of conflict these upcoming years. In 2035, it is a different story but I don't think they want one now. Other than expressing anger of words, I don't know what else China can do.
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It's the delivery weapon that really counts.
 
Nevermore

Nevermore

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bebops said:
If what China media said is true that Japan will have nukes in three years, then that will change the calculus in the first island.

I don't think China wants any kind of conflict these upcoming years. In 2035, it is a different story but I don't think they want one now. Other than expressing anger of words, I don't know what else China can do.
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China may adopt a conservative approach over the next five years, with the first round of sanctions likely to be extremely severe and comprehensive trade sanctions. However, given the significant impact of Japan's nuclear capabilities on East Asia and the fact that Japan's economy can still find solid support in the Western world, China could still potentially launch precision strikes against Japan's nuclear research facilities if it secures support from some of the following: North Korea, South Korea, or Russia.
 
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tokenanalyst

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bebops said:
If what China media said is true that Japan will have nukes in three years, then that will change the calculus in the first island.

I don't think China wants any kind of conflict these upcoming years. In 2035, it is a different story but I don't think they want one now. Other than expressing anger of words, I don't know what else China can do.
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Will push China to reach parity with the US sooner and abandon their not first use policy, increasing that any conflict could escalate into a nuclear exchange and given Japan density population they could lost 100M people easily.
It becomes an issue who losses more. Its sacrificing Tokyo for Taipei worth for Japan? That is discussion that they should have with their people, personally I don't think so, I think Japan getting nukes will increase the threat of nuclear war and ironically will make less likely Japan interfering, if that conflict stay mostly conventional.
 
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Almond98

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With the way venezuela war going on and israel getting greenlight to strike iran, it also makes me somewhat worry about the future. If they are successfully turn those countries into their puppets they might have more influence then they are right now. Plus it shows that usa still rule the world. They have the mightiest force in the world. This will give more motivation to taiwanese to be more resistance than before.
 
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bebops

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Almond98 said:
With the way venezuela war going on and israel getting greenlight to strike iran, it also makes me somewhat worry about the future. If they are successfully turn those countries into their puppets they might have more influence then they are right now. Plus it shows that usa still rule the world. They have the mightiest force in the world. This will give more motivation to taiwanese to be more resistance than before.
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It doesn't stop at venezuela, Trump wants Colombia, Cuba, Mexico, Canada and Greenland too. Yes, it is becoming scary.

Maybe history is different this time. Maybe US is not collapsing like what we are told. Maybe US will rule the world for hundreds of more years like some dynasty.

US rules the world with brute force and military. U.S don't need manufacturer of everything. They only need military manufacturers to keep producing stuff.
 
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