Her approval will keep on rising the more actions China takes cause of long term hatred Japanese have for Chinese. The more aggressive she is the more popular she will be. This will only change when Japanese are actually losing cities in fire bombs, not before that. Over many decades China can overpower Japan without a war with economic measures, and make Japanese see the light, but that will take a long time.
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But you are neutralizing a pawn only while incurring atleast some damage, even if very little. The real instigator isn't incurring any serious physical damage (assuming US doesn't directly participate). US has lot's of pawns. Even if US has no self-confidence in winning itself, it can bog down China for a while (or longer, depending on how many vassals are ready to die).
I'm talking of vassals fighting without any intent from US itself ever participating.
You are missing the point.
Japanese participation in the unresolved internal Taiwan issue all but guarantees 100% buy-in from the Chinese public. The Japanese are willing to lose the real war in the future to win the war of popularity today.
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Exactly, other than being sooner than China would prefer, fighting Japan now doesn’t actually carry significantly more downsides for China since as you rightly summarised, any war involving China and America will also involve Japan.
From an operational POV, China’s easiest policy is to establish a strict no-fly and no-sail zone suitably large around Japan, and enforce it with ruthless deadlines.
Anything that flies or sails into that zone will be engaged with overwhelming lethal force with zero warning. Doesn’t matter if it’s an unmanned drone or a passenger plane full of civilians, because you can bet America will play that card like they did during the Cold War, using passenger planes to test red lines and even hiding spy planes in the radar shadow of passenger planes.
Anything breaches the exclusion zones will get its first and only warning in the form of a PL or YJ missile exploding inside of it. If you send rescue planes and ships, those will get engaged and destroyed as well.
This may seem heartless, and it is, but if you are in an active shooting war, the time for hearts and minds is long past, and the only way you can prevent the situation spiralling out of control is with the deterrence established by the sheer power of your mailed fists and your willingness to use them.
The most tricky diplomatic problem will be South Korea. Operationally, it will be actually easier to just lump them in with the Americans and Japanese and steamroll them with NK and use SK as the primary invasion launchpad for the Japanese home islands. But diplomatically that might be a bad look. But to be frank, it’s hard to see SK being willing or able to go far enough to demonstrate its neutrality to avoid being obliterated. But I guess China will at least need to give them the chance to save themselves.
If US provides Japan with absolutely zero support then Japan won't last long enough to cause damage.
If US does provide Japan with support, which is all but guaranteed, then China just need to make sure US suffer greater indirect damage than they can do to China through Japaneses proxy.
e.g. A full embargo on Asian export to the west, including Japan obviously, but also Korea and Taiwan will collapse all western economies, and western backing of Japan during their war against China will be more than enough justification to do so.
China can also simply arm America's and Israel's many enemies, e.g. actually provide Russia with direct military support and provide Iran with the most advanced weapons. China doesn't like to see its allies as pawns, but China do have allies.
Lastly you're also forgetting there is a lot of inherent interest to China in historically ending the Japaneses problem.
The person who wrote that article i dont think understand Putin. Russia has digital sovereignty meaning it can operate its digital space what is needed to run its government, research and manage this western apps to spy on its people. so what changed from before. It is called Soft Power and Rare Earth (down stream products). If Putin had known the extent and capability of this Soft Power inside Russia Putin would have run the country differently.
I think it can happen sooner if the United States faces a brutal economic collapse within a decade which would dramatically change the geopolitical landscape as we can recently see Canada rebuilding ties with China even though it might not see the light, it need to put food on the table. I wonder if the AI bubble have enough burst to make it happen.
The Magatards should just petition to rename “Arabic numbers” to “American numbers”. Trump will have another win.
You joke but I can definitely see them doing something like that.