Not sure how removal of the Japanese emperor makes anyone involved a child-killing mass-raping genocidal maniac.
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No problem removing fascist institutions like the eternal/mythical emperor and replacing with Japanese communist party.
The Japanese emperor was sole responsible for all the warcrimes committed on Chinese territory and he got away because the US rewrote history by portraying him as powerless actor when he clearly wasn’t. A lot of people think American is the reason why Japan is literally a degenerate nation that even makes overseas otakus disgusted but it has been historically because it's literally tradition. The Tales of Genji is a very famous ancient Japanese novel and it involves the main character being a pedo as it was japanese culture at the time and still somewhat is today.
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You mean becoming like the colonial monstrosity you moan about? Their emperor is a mascot at this point but a vital part of their history, it's for them to decide to get rid if they want to and not an outside force. If you try to destroy part of their culture you'll just create hostile neighbors and you'll end up like Russia. China has grown to become a powerful country in its own way using noninterference, it doesn't need to sink to the level of the ethnic European.
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If you think China will allow a hostile Japan to operate independently after fighting against China again, then you are sorely mistaken. China will do to Japan what US has done to its defeated enemies. Making them a complete vassal. China is a realist power and is not a goodie two shoes. It will throw its weight when it feels it needs to.
This has nothing to do with my point. I made a specific point, which was that forcefully removing their emperor is the same colonialism people cry about. I can understand their shrine to their WWII dead but not removing an institution that has existed longer than most.
Making them a complete vassal? Good lord, talk about try-hard. When you grow up or spend time in the west you develop weird thoughts like this. Even at the height of China's power in the past they didn't have vassals but tributary states. There's nothing 'realist' about creating enemies in your periphery and potential future time bombs. I hope, for China's sake, the future leadership remain grounded and don't let power get to their heads and they succumb to the temptation of adventurism.
Before vassalfying Japan to the extreme, it will need to be bled and punished for crimes yet unpaid.
The Americans engaged Japan on a war footing. Far fewer American civilians were harmed by Japan compared to those in Asia, particularly China and Korea. For the Japanese crimes on Asia, no debt has been paid.
The Americans detonated two nukes on Japan for its military crimes and antagonism. If Japan initiates military action against China and/or China's internal affairs - reunification, then it is repeating the same thing it did in WW2. Japan is the aggressor in that case. China isn't allowing Japan to get into Chinese internal affairs which Taiwan is, as even recognised by Japan itself by recognising that there is only one China and de facto status of Taiwan is nonsense despite all the democracy freedumb talk.
If Japan gets itself involved, it is the colonial/imperial actor, not China. It invites China to act the same and China has far greater depth to do harm to Japan today than it did 80 years ago when it was in the midst of civil war and just coming out of a century of abject poverty and total mismanagement by the overthrown political class. Ironically the same group being the founders of Taiwan's current status as a breakaway province.
Japan is daring a dangerous game and thinking of itself as an actual superpower while challenging and threatening an actual superpower.
It only does this because it feels it has the blessings of the US. It has sorely mis-assessed the relative power positions and will eventually pay a dear price for the miscalculations. It actually thinks the US is still stronger than China today AND the US is willing to lose itself to fight China for Japan.
Japan is like the half-manlet walking into a hungry lions cage by provoking. It will learn soon enough as all these morons over the years have learned slowly. They aren't talking about China collapsing and Chinese xyz being rubbish as much these days now that Chinese industrial products have dominated and military is proving itself while western military weaknesses are being exposed over the years by the US and NATO performance against an already weak Russia is piss poor too. People only are around 20 years late in understanding on the ground realities. Japan just has its head buried.
The Americans engaged Japan on a war footing. Far fewer American civilians were harmed by Japan compared to those in Asia, particularly China and Korea. For the Japanese crimes on Asia, no debt has been paid.
The Americans detonated two nukes on Japan for its military crimes and antagonism. If Japan initiates military action against China and/or China's internal affairs - reunification, then it is repeating the same thing it did in WW2. Japan is the aggressor in that case. China isn't allowing Japan to get into Chinese internal affairs which Taiwan is, as even recognised by Japan itself by recognising that there is only one China and de facto status of Taiwan is nonsense despite all the democracy freedumb talk.
If Japan gets itself involved, it is the colonial/imperial actor, not China. It invites China to act the same and China has far greater depth to do harm to Japan today than it did 80 years ago when it was in the midst of civil war and just coming out of a century of abject poverty and total mismanagement by the overthrown political class. Ironically the same group being the founders of Taiwan's current status as a breakaway province.
Japan is daring a dangerous game and thinking of itself as an actual superpower while challenging and threatening an actual superpower.
It only does this because it feels it has the blessings of the US. It has sorely mis-assessed the relative power positions and will eventually pay a dear price for the miscalculations. It actually thinks the US is still stronger than China today AND the US is willing to lose itself to fight China for Japan.
Japan is like the half-manlet walking into a hungry lions cage by provoking. It will learn soon enough as all these morons over the years have learned slowly. They aren't talking about China collapsing and Chinese xyz being rubbish as much these days now that Chinese industrial products have dominated and military is proving itself while western military weaknesses are being exposed over the years by the US and NATO performance against an already weak Russia is piss poor too. People only are around 20 years late in understanding on the ground realities. Japan just has its head buried.
I'm sorry you subscribe to such single dimension Communist talking points and ideology.
The world isn't black and white oppressors and imperialists and their victims. Japan's crimes have not been paid and any attempt to go on the offensive should invite an open door to correct those wrongs.
Japanese arrogance is what allows them to talk about getting involved in China's internal affairs. They're talking about going to war with PRC over ROC. If they do engage in such a war and lose as they can only lose, why should China behave as some unbothered angel? China is not a purely benevolent entity. It has a chance to right a wrong and will suffer losses if Japan gets involved. It will need to set a price for Japan when the dust settles and part of that price is removing one source of its unfounded arrogance, removing their head of state and installing a China friendly political structure.
Is it fair to fight Japan, win and then let things be as they were before such a war? Not at all. Does it make you better? perhaps but it makes you more foolish.
Defeating a hostile Japan than not controlling it as a vassal and re-educating its population is the epitome of a disaster in the making. This is what Allied powers did to Germany after ww1. They defeated and punished Germany but left it independent. Its population grew frustrated, resented the defeat and demanded retribution which led to WW2. Its because of this reason that after WW2 both Japan and Germany were occupied and controlled for many years. Germany was literally split into pieces and throughly re-educated.
I don't know what other people cry about when it comes to the west. My view is if you are weak, you will be exploited. And if you are strong, you will try to maximize your own security and prosperity.
China will also maximize its security when its that strong.
If China is strong enough to dominate its neighbourhood, it will impose its own monroe doctrine. If there are countries like Japan, that resent China and want to bring other powers like US to try to attack China, you can be sure that China will not allow such a country to continue to exist. Now then there are a few options. Annex Japan and throughly convert Japanese into Chinese speaking citizens with heavy re-education, Break Japan into pieces imposed with military control or make Japan into a vassal or client state.
Making a defeated Japan a vassal is actually the most benign solution. As it allows Japan to exist as a soverign nation.
You can look at China's history to see how many "nations" China defeat and assimilated into the Chinese nation. China didn't grow its current size automatically. Current Han Chinese people didn't all originate from the yellow river.