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supersnoop

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manqiangrexue said:
Before Trump, anti-intellectualism in America amounted to the uneducated population disliking the intellectuals as snobs and assholes, though begrudgingly admitting that they did know what's best when it came to their fields. After Trump, these people believed that intellectuals were evil, stupid, wrong, and treasonous so doing the opposite of what they said would lead to the best outcome. That is a very dangerous belief and it bit America the hardest during COVID.
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If you believe that to be the situation before Trump, then you are out of touch with the “Average American”.

For example, there was a recalled Homeopathic baby teething product that killed babies and was on the shelves of mainstream pharmacies like CVS. This was long before Trump was in power.

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Then there is the junk/pseudoscience that fueled the actress Gwyneth Paltrow's goop brand to a scale that Netflix started to promote it (which means it was algorithmically driven), again predates Trump

There is the fight against water supply fluoridation, which is mostly driven by anti science rhetoric and again predating Trump.

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To be honest, American brand of "nerds" results in Palmer Luckey or Musk types, which are anti-intellectual themselves of a different kind("all careers outside of coding, robotics and rocketry are useless") and should be bullied back into a locker
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Honestly, they are kind of lucky to even have those.
 
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manqiangrexue

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supersnoop said:
If you believe that to be the situation before Trump, then you are out of touch with the “Average American”.
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I grew up with educated people in educated settings. I'm basically getting a feel for things by reading online so it's likely I'm not perfectly in touch. However, what are your experiences that make you think that you are very in-touch with the "average American?"
supersnoop said:
For example, there was a recalled Homeopathic baby teething product that killed babies and was on the shelves of mainstream pharmacies like CVS. This was long before Trump was in power.

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Then there is the junk/pseudoscience that fueled the actress Gwyneth Paltrow's goop brand to a scale that Netflix started to promote it (which means it was algorithmically driven), again predates Trump

There is the fight against water supply fluoridation, which is mostly driven by anti science rhetoric and again predating Trump.
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What do those things prove? That there was always some distrust. But from what I'm seeing online, after Trump came onto the stage, every negativity grew louder. Racism, hatred, prideful ignorance, anti-intellectualism, etc... all of it together.

I don't understand what you are trying to say, that Trump was cunning and purposefully told his followers to do things that would get them killed during COVID despite knowing better because that somehow benefitted him by fanning the flames of anti-intellectualism? You're saying that he would have lost support if from the very beginning, he told everyone to take the virus seriously and protect themselves with masks, hand-washing, and distancing when in public places? They would have thought he was a loser or something? Because the entire idea that doing those things made you a loser was invented by Trump.
 
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supersnoop

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manqiangrexue said:
I grew up with educated people in educated settings. I'm basically getting a feel for things by reading online so it's likely I'm not perfectly in touch. However, what are your experiences that make you think that you are very in-touch with the "average American?"
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I am not necessarily in touch, but you are too focused on COVID.
Take something like climate change, there was a huge backlash against the science behind it. This was all before Trump was elected. Trump is just a symptom, not the cause.

manqiangrexue said:
What do those things prove? That there was always some distrust. But from what I'm seeing online, after Trump came onto the stage, every negativity grew louder. Racism, hatred, prideful ignorance, anti-intellectualism, etc... all of it together.

I don't understand what you are trying to say, that Trump was cunning and purposefully told his followers to do things that would get them killed during COVID despite knowing better because that somehow benefitted him by fanning the flames of anti-intellectualism? You're saying that he would have lost support if from the very beginning, he told everyone to take the virus seriously and protect themselves with masks, hand-washing, and distancing when in public places? They would have thought he was a loser or something? Because the entire idea that doing those things made you a loser was invented by Trump.
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Yes, I agree, Trump amplified those things, but the undercurrent was already growing stronger. In this case, he had to be elected by these people first.

Cunning was not my idea, that was someone else. My point was you are wrong to believe that Americans were trusting of expertise and it was Trump that shattered that belief. Americans elected Trump because they believed he shared those values

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