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New Zealand's 'crucial knowledge' about Uighur abuses come from their North American master.


So some Westerners actually believe Uighurs live in a place called Uighurland. Wonder how they came up with the term Uighurland. I don't even want to mention the few times I saw the word "Weegers" ("China stop oppressing the Weegers!"). Weeger sounds like something you dig out of your nose.
At least NZ didn't accuse China of Genocide which the other five eye countries wanted her to do.
 

weig2000

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Well tbf as of this moment the PLA only has the assets to defend all the way up to the first island chain.... and at a stretch out to the second chain. It can and will retaliate militarily against Australia if provoked, but it'd be a long shot for Beijing to expect success in an invasion scenario against Australia using what it currently has at its disposal.

That said Beijing never said anything about invading Australia or any other country for that fact, so their fears only project their insecurities over the rise of a new superpower, and more importantly the fading of their relevance in a new global order that will be heavily influenced by Asia.

You're talking about power projection capabilities. No, PLA currently does not have much of that capability beyond first island chain against a world class opponent (really, only the US).

PLA's primary focus over the last two plus decades has been homeland defense, Taiwan contingency and more recently South China Sea. Over that time, China has now acquired the capability to dominate within the first island chain.

Without the repeated US challenges to its territory and sovereignty, China would probably have not invested as much in various defense technologies and platforms, not so soon anyway. During the 1995-1996 Taiwan crisis, the US sent two aircraft carriers to the east of Taiwan to show deterrence. That prompted China to develop the ASBMs, resulting in DF-21D, DF-26 and the associated C4ISR capability. The 2001 Hainan Incident had accelerated the investment and development in the defense facilities on Hainan and in and under SCS. The US came up with its AirSea Battle doctrine to counter China's A2/AD strategy, or the other way around. With the growing disadvantages in its AirSea Battle strategy, the US began to pivot to the third Offset Strategy, backing away from 1st island chain and overcome the distance problem with long-range and stealth weapons. More recently, realizing its disadvantages in conventional mid-range ballistic missiles against China, the US withdrew from INF treaty and wants to develop conventional mid-range missiles and deploys them around China.

The US keeps coming back with new doctrines to threaten and deter China, while PLA keeps growing in capabilities to counteract these new threats. In the end, we'll find out that if the US can't stop its hegemonic behaviors toward China, PLA will have keep growing, first to dominate the 1st island chain, then to gain superiority in West-Pacific and Northern Indian Ocean Region, and eventually to go toe-to-toe with the US globally, just to protect China's territorial, sovereign and development interests.

Over the next decade, we'll see China obtaining all the key power projection platforms and capabilities, from CATOBAR aircraft carriers, the next-generation SSN and SSBN, the long-distance stealth strategic bombers, a large fleet of military transport and tanker aircraft, to a fleet of amphibious assault assets. These are backed by China's burgeoning space-based C4ISR capabilities. There will not be any technological or financial barriers to form a formidable power projection capability, as long as the needs exist.

So, China might not have felt the need to develop world-class power projection capabilities if left on her own, but the current hegemon and its vassals are so entitled to their privileges and dominance such that they would do anything to suppress and contain China. China has no other choice but to develop the capabilities to counter. In the process, PLA will accidentally become a formidable global military power by mid-century. That's the goal CCP sets out anyway.
 

hashtagpls

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You're talking about power projection capabilities. No, PLA currently does not have much of that capability beyond first island chain against a world class opponent (really, only the US).

PLA's primary focus over the last two plus decades has been homeland defense, Taiwan contingency and more recently South China Sea. Over that time, China has now acquired the capability to dominate within the first island chain.

Without the repeated US challenges to its territory and sovereignty, China would probably have not invested as much in various defense technologies and platforms, not so soon anyway. During the 1995-1996 Taiwan crisis, the US sent two aircraft carriers to the east of Taiwan to show deterrence. That prompted China to develop the ASBMs, resulting in DF-21D, DF-26 and the associated C4ISR capability. The 2001 Hainan Incident had accelerated the investment and development in the defense facilities on Hainan and in and under SCS. The US came up with its AirSea Battle doctrine to counter China's A2/AD strategy, or the other way around. With the growing disadvantages in its AirSea Battle strategy, the US began to pivot to the third Offset Strategy, backing away from 1st island chain and overcome the distance problem with long-range and stealth weapons. More recently, realizing its disadvantages in conventional mid-range ballistic missiles against China, the US withdrew from INF treaty and wants to develop conventional mid-range missiles and deploys them around China.

The US keeps coming back with new doctrines to threaten and deter China, while PLA keeps growing in capabilities to counteract these new threats. In the end, we'll find out that if the US can't stop its hegemonic behaviors toward China, PLA will have keep growing, first to dominate the 1st island chain, then to gain superiority in West-Pacific and Northern Indian Ocean Region, and eventually to go toe-to-toe with the US globally, just to protect China's territorial, sovereign and development interests.

Over the next decade, we'll see China obtaining all the key power projection platforms and capabilities, from CATOBAR aircraft carriers, the next-generation SSN and SSBN, the long-distance stealth strategic bombers, a large fleet of military transport and tanker aircraft, to a fleet of amphibious assault assets. These are backed by China's burgeoning space-based C4ISR capabilities. There will not be any technological or financial barriers to form a formidable power projection capability, as long as the needs exist.

So, China might not have felt the need to develop world-class power projection capabilities if left on her own, but the current hegemon and its vassals are so entitled to their privileges and dominance such that they would do anything to suppress and contain China. China has no other choice but to develop the capabilities to counter. In the process, PLA will accidentally become a formidable global military power by mid-century. That's the goal CCP sets out anyway.
This is also how Rome accidentally became the leading hegemon in the Mediterranean; the threat of Carthage and Hannibal compelled the necessity of conquest.
 

weig2000

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This is also how Rome accidentally became the leading hegemon in the Mediterranean; the threat of Carthage and Hannibal compelled the necessity of conquest.

Indeed. I'm also an avid reader of Roman history, particularly this period when Rome transformed itself from a republic to an empire. Come to think of it, the US largely underwent a similar transformation during the World War II, which was to the US what wars with Carthage and Hannibal were to Rome. Probably not surprisingly, considering that the Founding Fathers of the US consciously modeled the US after Rome, down to the style of Capitol Building and the name of the place (Capitol Hill). The similarities do not likely to end there; it might also be educational to learn how Rome had gradually debased their currency towards the end of the empire.

All these are way off topic -- Or maybe not, given this is the official off-topic thread. LOL.
 

4Runner

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What!? Aussie wants to go war against China, did I read it wrong?

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We need to ignore this type of none sense. When China has 6+ carriers, Aussie needs to worry about its own backyard. And that would be the time for China settle the score since 1840.

Those stupid Aussies remind me of those little thugs on my street when I was a kid. There were two big "boss" on the street. But they were behaving like "boss" and were poised and calm. It was those little thugs that were jumping all over the places. Guess what? When one of the "boss" stood up and started taking actions, all those little thugs just running away as if a monster was coming after them.
 

hashtagpls

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Indeed. I'm also an avid reader of Roman history, particularly this period when Rome transformed itself from a republic to an empire. Come to think of it, the US largely underwent a similar transformation during the World War II, which was to the US what wars with Carthage and Hannibal were to Rome. Probably not surprisingly, considering that the Founding Fathers of the US consciously modeled the US after Rome, down to the style of Capitol Building and the name of the place (Capitol Hill). The similarities do not likely to end there; it might also be educational to learn how Rome had gradually debased their currency towards the end of the empire.

All these are way off topic -- Or maybe not, given this is the official off-topic thread. LOL.
I can definitely picture the Pacific being a PLAN mare nostrum, and the continental US becoming a part of Chinese territory much as Carthage and north africa became part of the Roman Empire.


I'm convinced more and more that India must be destroyed, India Delenda Est.
Their persistence in wanting to make war on China, working with the anglos on attacking China, and complete apathy and blatant ungratefulness to Chinese and Russian aid makes india more of a liability and enemy than a possible ally.
 

hashtagpls

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We need to ignore this type of none sense. When China has 6+ carriers, Aussie needs to worry about its own backyard. And that would be the time for China settle the score since 1840.

Those stupid Aussies remind me of those little thugs on my street when I was a kid. There were two big "boss" on the street. But they were behaving like "boss" and were poised and calm. It was those little thugs that were jumping all over the places. Guess what? When one of the "boss" stood up and started taking actions, all those little thugs just running away as if a monster was coming after them.
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Never Forget.
 

Equation

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We need to ignore this type of none sense. When China has 6+ carriers, Aussie needs to worry about its own backyard. And that would be the time for China settle the score since 1840.

Those stupid Aussies remind me of those little thugs on my street when I was a kid. There were two big "boss" on the street. But they were behaving like "boss" and were poised and calm. It was those little thugs that were jumping all over the places. Guess what? When one of the "boss" stood up and started taking actions, all those little thugs just running away as if a monster was coming after them.
Little thugs gotta act tough in front of their little minions.
 
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