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(New framing of the tariff situation?)

“Sky News host Rowan Dean has said the “bottom line” of US President Donald Trump’s 'Liberation Day' tariffs is “very simple”.

Would you rather live in a world where the leading economic power is the United States or live in a world where the leading economic power is China,” Mr Dean said.

“That’s the bottom line, that’s the simplest way of looking at it.”
He is right in saying "that's the simplest way of looking at it."

Trump's policies on China are pretty much the same as those of Biden's, centered around reversing China's influence in the world. The difference is that Biden went about it passively aggressively, while Trump uses direct threats. This difference is just a reflection of how the Democrats and Republicans operate, instead of personality that most people are framing it to be.

The US regime knows it can't take on China alone in a trade war. This has been tried and failed. China is just too big and already too diversified from US's market. However, while China can cease trading with the US, China can't cease trading with the rest of the world. Using the enormous tariffs as leverages, the US regime could force the rest of the world to negotiate to terms favorable to the US.

The best outcome for the US regime would be for countries around the world cancelling their existing trade deals with China in return for US to rescind the tariffs. People may retort by saying no country would sacrifice their self interests like that, but a similar arrangement has already been done by Biden on Europe. Europe was forced to stop Russian gas import, eat the economic loss, and now bankroll the Ukraine war.

The worse outcome would be for US regime to destroy the existing international trade, following the motto "if US isn't profiting from this then no one can." While US would hurt, they would still see it as a win as long as the rest of the world hurts more. Throw in a bit of state-sponsor piracy and the rest of the world won't even be able to trade among themselves.

(The guy frames it as CN eating the lunch, and its time for US to fix it, but he forgets that US comps profited alot from that arrangement tho, also maintains the usd power too ryt?)
Reality doesn't matter to them. They made a decision and needed b.s. justification. Same thing with putting tariffs on uninhabited islands, which is immaterial in the end.
 
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tygyg1111

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Ignoring everything else, its interesting how they logically quantum tunnel between "we must fight China" to "declare trade war on planet", with nobody questioning how one leads to the other.

It is interesting because, if one is capable of making these logic leaps, they can be manupliated to do anything, say with a special TikTok algorithm... e.g. We need to fight China: therefore we must sacrafice our first born. Can acrually explain alot about US behavior without modeling Trump as a literal Chinese agent.
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zscstephen

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Ignoring everything else, its interesting how they logically quantum tunnel between "we must fight China" to "declare trade war on planet", with nobody questioning how one leads to the other.

It is interesting because, if one is capable of making these logic leaps, they can be manupliated to do anything, say with a special TikTok algorithm... e.g. We need to fight China: therefore we must sacrafice our first born. Can acrually explain alot about US behavior without modeling Trump as a literal Chinese agent.
Not a hard question, you get an easy way out with MAGA. It's could be a very primitive religion imo because it uses one liner only to get you out, but you get the idea why it's interesting.
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Randomuser

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All these streamers in China made me realize how much more efficient China is at using money compared to the west.

Like they just latch onto one of those vloggers that get 100K viewers and they basically free advertising and exposure for little.

It also shows how wasteful the US is. Like they spend so much money trying to convince the world that there some genocide in Xinjiang. Then some Americans like small brained go there and interact with them like there's nothing really special. Like they are just people who need to go to work and live like everyone else. All those thousand of people will watch and go that's it? This is the so called crisis they keep telling me about especially compared to shit like Gaza or Ukraine?

It really pisses people off when you promise something big and reality shows you it wasn't really.
 
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