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tamsen_ikard

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I actually do want to know what exactly happened in the last Israeli attack on Iran. In the western media or on pro Israel reddit it seems as if iran entire air defenses was destroyed. They portray iran as sitting ducks due to all the radars that were destroyed and all missile production plant destroyed.

But there is so little photo evidence. There is also rumor that there were multiple phases to Israeli attack but they failed on the first phase and thus had to turn back.

Any insight on what exactly happened during this attack?
 

Minm

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Over the last 48 hours, there has been 7 B-2 bombers and 10-11 KC-135s moved into Diego Garcia. Alongside a bunch of C-17s activities moving in and out of the air base. Or maybe they intend to drop a bunch of 30,000 lb bombs on Yemen.
Sure, they can move planes to threaten Iran in the ongoing negotiations. Apparently Iran just replied to trump's letter. But we've been at this point for more than 20 years. The US keeps threatening but they never commit to an attack. Because there's a possibility that they can't fully destroy Iranian nuclear capabilities and an attack just leads to an Iranian nuclear test. In an actual extensive bombing campaign like in Serbia where B2 bombers and F35 stay in Iranian airspace, there's also a non zero possibility of losing a stealth plane and secrets leaking to Russia and China. That's risks that the US just won't take unless Iran has actually decided to go nuclear
 

pmc

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The new Europe is the same old Europe. Why do they bother gauging China on Ukraine? Do they think Russia is now on Trump’s side therefore now anti-China so they can get somewhere from there? Just because the Western media puts that out there, it means it must be happening? In the end nothing has changed regarding their goals.
New Europe is certainly not the old Europe. when MBS came to power in 2015. He basically immediately bought the most expensive home in France lfor $300m. There alot of things happened which led me to believe the Macron understand New Europe that MBS is creating and that include French role in Europe and Ukraine.
Saudi role is both Sponsor and Mediator. They certainly want alliance of US and Russia but US simply unable to do it. so some middle ground.
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US statement on the Saudi Crown Prince's role in sponsoring Russian-Ukrainian talks in Saudi Arabia​

"The talks once again demonstrated Saudi Arabia's role as a key mediator



The West needs to stop China’s indirect aid to Russia because that’s what they think why Russia has been able to escape the West’s sanctions and they have break Russia away from China so that Russian is under the whims of western control. The original plan of the West in the first place. I’m sure Western countries are giving themselves high-fives to each other thinking how clever and smart they are. Four years from now there can be an anti-Russia President in the US so all is happy again in the West.

A new Europe where nothing has changed from the shits they’re in now. Same supply chain problems where they need every one else’s resources to feed their first world lifestyles. Are they gonna try to recolonize the world to make Europe great again? What do they have that China needs to change its policy on Ukraine? Their acceptance? No, it's Europe that has to change before China can consider anything not the other way around. Only an typically arrogant Europe as usual thinks they're the one in a position to make demands.
Russia is the leader in creating new Empire based on Arabic Soft Power and it does not take much to observe it. like so much info about Russia systems even before Ukraine in Arabic.
Only people who has studied this soft power for long time can understand what Putin actually mean like Ten children per family growing together when every son is a Hero than you dont want to mix them with others to dilute that character thats why Russia need migrants since the other side is unable to fulfill that obligation.

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What's the difference between the secret Russian S-550 space defense system and the S-500​


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FriedButter

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US pushes for expansive new deal to control Ukraine’s minerals and energy​

The US is pushing for a sweeping new deal to control Ukraine’s critical minerals and energy assets, while offering Kyiv no security guarantees in return, in an aggressive expansion of its previous demands.

The new draft deal sent to Kyiv on Sunday and seen by the Financial Times goes well beyond an initial joint economic accord hammered out last month, as part of US President Donald Trump’s efforts to end Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and recoup billions of dollars’ worth of military assistance.

Senior Ukrainian officials said the proposal could undermine their nation’s sovereignty, route profits abroad and deepen its dependence on Washington.

The draft deal marks a dramatic escalation of the efforts to seize control of Ukraine’s lucrative natural resources as it presses to bring the conflict to an end.

It would apply to all mineral resources, including oil and gas, and major energy assets across the entire Ukrainian territory.

Washington is demanding that Ukraine and the US set up a supervisory board to oversee a joint investment fund to split the income from Ukraine’s oil, gas and mineral projects between the two countries.

The US would appoint three of the five board members, giving Washington full veto power over the fund.

The draft also says that “the contributions of the United States following the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022” would be “deemed as contributions to the partnership”.

US Treasury secretary Scott Bessent told Fox News on Wednesday he believed the deal could be signed as soon as next week.

But three senior Ukrainian officials told the FT that was unlikely to happen. One said the new US draft proposal was “unfair”, while another likened it to “robbery”.

A third official said a team of legal advisers had been brought in to help the government examine the document as it prepared a counter-offer.

Ukrainians have expressed frustration at the increasing pressure from Trump to compromise to secure a ceasefire and lasting peace, even as the Kremlin shows no sign of stopping its invasion.

In Paris on Thursday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the US was “constantly” changing the terms of the agreement. But he added that he did not want Washington to think Kyiv was against the deal.

The Trump administration’s new proposal would supersede the previous framework agreement on jointly developing Ukraine’s mineral resources agreed last month by Kyiv and Washington.

That deal, which would have established a fund into which Ukraine contributed 50 per cent of future profits from mineral resources, was never signed after a disastrous Oval Office meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy.

Under the new proposal, projects covered by the fund would include those carried out by the Ukrainian government itself, as well as by companies approved by Kyiv or state-owned organisations.

The deal also covers infrastructure connected to the exploitation of natural resources, such as roads, railways, pipelines, ports and processing plants.

Funds generated under the latest proposal would be converted directly into foreign currency and routed abroad, and Ukraine would be liable for compensation in the event of delays or disputes.

The US would receive royalties from the fund before Ukraine, at a 4 per cent premium, and would retain priority rights on infrastructure projects as well as veto power over third-party sales of resources.

While the deal does not include provisions for US ownership of Ukraine’s nuclear power infrastructure — a controversial idea floated last week by Trump — Ukrainian officials remain wary that nuclear assets could still be on the table in future negotiations.

One official familiar with the matter said the nuclear issue had been raised in earlier discussions but was deliberately excluded from this iteration of the proposal.

The US state department did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A Treasury spokesperson said of the expanded offer: “The United States remains committed to the quick conclusion of this vital agreement, and to securing a lasting peace for both Ukraine and Russia.”

Should have taken the initial perpetual Slavery contract. Now you can have Slavery Plus. Hell you might not even be allowed to own the concrete roads anymore.

It would apply to all mineral resources, including oil and gas, and major energy assets across the entire Ukrainian territory.
The deal also covers infrastructure connected to the exploitation of natural resources, such as roads, railways, pipelines, ports and processing plants.

To add salt to the wound. The revenue is immediately converted and sent to the US. Plus the US banks will be slapping the currency conversion fees.

Funds generated under the latest proposal would be converted directly into foreign currency and routed abroad, and Ukraine would be liable for compensation in the event of delays or disputes.
 

AssassinsMace

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Look at how badly the US needs to control TikTok. That's because its value is not in its monetary worth. It's in its ability to communicate to the masses in the world something usually where the West is in control of such things. If you listen to potential buyers, they're already talking about the world and not just the US market that was a part of the deal. It's not worth only $30 billion which seems the figure wanting to buy are circling. In the end they want to be the only ones in communication to the world.

I don't know how did Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL get invited to speak in Hong Kong but no one advocating undermining the Chinese like Greenblatt has done should be able to make a case to the Chinese. He's a primary actor in getting the TikTok ban. Of course his ilk wants TikTok in the control of the US. And don't think the same notorious suspects aren't behind the US anti-China artificial intelligence campaign either. AI is another "God" telling everyone their version of the world and how it should work. Another reason they're so deathly afraid of China being an alternative.
 

Biscuits

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I actually do want to know what exactly happened in the last Israeli attack on Iran. In the western media or on pro Israel reddit it seems as if iran entire air defenses was destroyed. They portray iran as sitting ducks due to all the radars that were destroyed and all missile production plant destroyed.

But there is so little photo evidence. There is also rumor that there were multiple phases to Israeli attack but they failed on the first phase and thus had to turn back.

Any insight on what exactly happened during this attack?
Most neutral accounts I hear suggest that yes while Iran essentially didn't get hit (as proved by satellite imaging) besides from falling debris, Israel also never did a full strike. They sent a lot of planes into the air but only a few launched ALBM.

Apparently the ALBM were target ballistic missiles secretly (the armed version system name is not publicly known) retrofitted with real warheads, which are the longest range weapons of any type Israel has.

So it might have been a limited strike with the intent to see if anything could actually get through, and also test if Iran can intercept even relatively primitive ballistic missiles. The pro Iranian picture of hundreds of Israeli planes attacking and being entirely repelled is not correct (because not that much interception debris was found).
 
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