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would choose not to fight in a potential cross-strait conflict despite growing military threats from Beijing, according to informal interviews by the South China Morning Post.

In several interviews, Taiwanese youth revealed a reluctance to fight that stemmed mainly from concerns about the life-threatening nature of war and Taiwan’s military disadvantage against mainland China, described recently by Taiwanese leader William Lai Ching-te as a “
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Other reasons included doubts over whether the United States or its allies, such as Japan, would intervene, a perceived lack of preparedness, and the belief that war was unlikely within the next five years.

“Of course, I don’t want to go to war if given a choice because it is a matter of life and death,” said Yu Po-cheng, 25, a Taipei-based sports nutrition supply worker.

“But in the event of a mobilisation, people our age will definitely be drafted if a cross-strait war breaks out, meaning we will have to deal with it whether we want to or not,” he added.

Yu’s colleague, Lu Yi-wei, said it was every reservist’s duty to help defend Taiwan, but he had no desire to fight if there was no obligation.

Asked if they would return to the military to sharpen their combat skills, both Yu and Lu – reservists themselves – said no.

“I have two kids to raise and no time for this,” Yu said. Lu said that he was focused on his career and unwilling to sacrifice his time, particularly since military service did not provide fair financial compensation.

Odan Liang, 23, from Taoyuan in northern Taiwan, voiced similar sentiments. “I completed my four-month military service two years ago and am now working in trade. I just started my career and have many things to explore rather than thinking about returning to the army and fighting in a war,” he said.

Asked about Beijing’s growing military threats and Lai’s labelling of mainland China as a “foreign hostile force”, Liang said: “I don’t know much about defending our homeland, getting married, or raising children – those things are too distant for me now.”

“I just enjoyed a great concert by Kylie Minogue, and that is where my focus is,” he added, referring to the singer’s recent Tension Tour concert in the southern city of Kaohsiung.

If forced to serve during a war, Liang said he would prefer a support role, such as logistics, rather than fighting on the front lines.

A 17-year-old high school graduate in Taipei, who wanted to be identified only by his surname Yang, had a similar outlook. “I know nothing about politics or the cross-strait issue. That is for adults to worry about,” he said.

“I don’t even know how to use a gun since I’m not eligible for military service. If you want me to fight [for Taiwan], I might as well flee abroad or surrender.”

Taiwan has 2.3 million reservists and about 188,000 active-duty personnel.

Meanwhile, a March 2 online survey by Dcard, a social media platform for Taiwanese university students, found that 57 per cent of male respondents and 16 per cent of female respondents would surrender in a cross-strait war, while only 22 per cent and 5 per cent, respectively, said they would fight.

The survey, which received 12,251 responses, asked: “In light of the current Ukraine situation, would you still want to defend Taiwan if attacked by China?”

The findings contrasted sharply with recent opinion polls that suggested a majority of Taiwanese were willing to fight for the island, similar to Ukraine’s resistance against Russia’s invasion.

A survey by the Institute for National Defence and Security Research, a military-affiliated think tank in Taipei, found that more than 67 per cent of respondents said they would fight if Beijing attacked, while about 23 per cent were unwilling to engage in such a conflict.

The same survey also found 61 per cent believed that such an attack would be highly unlikely in the next five years.

Observers said the disparity stemmed from how poll questions were framed, the prevailing social atmosphere, and whether respondents were given options that reflected their true preferences.

“If you ask whether someone is willing to fight for Taiwan, most will say yes for ethical reasons, especially when cross-strait tensions rise, and the DPP government warns of war,” said Wang Kung-yi, head of the Taiwan International Strategic Study Society, a think tank in Taipei.

“But in reality, many people in Taiwan have become numb to Beijing’s threats, regardless of how much the DPP government hypes up the situation,” Wang added.

Zivon Wang, a military analyst at the Chinese Council of Advanced Policy Studies, another Taipei think tank, said such disparities were expected when formal surveys provided limited answer choices, whereas informal street interviews could allow respondents to express personal opinions freely.

“No one wants to die or lose in battle – it’s human nature. So, it is not surprising that many people said they would choose not to fight in a war,” he said.
 

Neurosmith

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Birth rate decline is almost entirely due to time cost of expected quality of life, its how much time you need to work to obtain the lifestyle you desire.

Thats to say simply making more money isnt enough, and having more free time doesnt either. Birth rate used to be high because people had lower expectations and didnt need to work as much to achieve that lower expectation, now people either need to work long hours, or doesnt make enough with hours worked.

All of which are the core problem China's "overcapacity" and massive robot deploymemt is intended to address. People always ask what do you do if robots took all the jobs, but thats implictly assuming a corporate run society, the real answer to that question is robots provide the abundance needed for people to work less while still making enough to meet their expectations, robots decrease the time cost of expectations and this is what will solve demographic problems
Looking forward to the era of errand-'n'-chore robots.

I read an interesting article about how nursing homes in China and turning to robots to care for their elderly, so I guess the same could be true for other people who simply want to free up time.
 

AssassinsMace

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Lithuania first tried to use China to get more from the West. They thought their sovereignty was at stake by being so dependent on Chinese trade. Now that it blew up in their face and the US and Europe didn't come to save Lithuania, they want that Chinese trade back but somehow they think they're in a stronger position than they were in before...? And Europe is suppose to learn how to strongarm China by how the Lithuanians had to come crawling back begging to China...? Little Lithuania can do that but Europe can't?

That's the poison of Western values. It makes you think that your worthless ass is of value over everyone else in the world when you have nothing to show for it.
 

Ringsword

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Yes, I believe you guys. The F-47 is definitely better than whatever China is flying since last December. I must trust Fox News.

Still, Fox News didn't ask the most important question of all: But at what cost?
That's great-now let us(especially Chinamen) see your vaunted F-47 in the flesh-not a PPT/artist rendering/plastic mockup etc(what are you Americans now?indians?)I believe PLAAF's J36 just made a second flight :) :) :) -where's yours USAF?
 

Iracundus

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Lithuania first tried to use China to get more from the West. They thought their sovereignty was at stake by being so dependent on Chinese trade. Now that it blew up in their face and the US and Europe didn't come to save Lithuania, they want that Chinese trade back but somehow they think they're in a stronger position than they were in before...? And Europe is suppose to learn how to strongarm China by how the Lithuanians had to come crawling back begging to China...? Little Lithuania can do that but Europe can't?

That's the poison of Western values. It makes you think that your worthless ass is of value over everyone else in the world when you have nothing to show for it.

Racism makes one delusional and leads to bad decision making. They were probably genuinely shocked that the non-whites punched back after the red line was crossed, similar to how Trump apparently was surprised and shocked that China put counter tariffs after his first round of tariffs in his first trade war. Even when there is the hard data available and clear statements of red lines and what not to do, there is that in-built racist doubt that those numbers must be exaggerated and can't possibly be real, that they cannot possibly mean what they say when they say don't cross that line or that they will somehow back down.

I am reminded of Hitler vs the Soviet Union. He thought it would collapse easily and that its production numbers must have been exaggerated. Bad decision making as a result of his racist underestimation of others led to his downfall and Nazi Germany's downfall.
 

Randomuser

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Racism makes one delusional and leads to bad decision making. They were probably genuinely shocked that the non-whites punched back after the red line was crossed, similar to how Trump apparently was surprised and shocked that China put counter tariffs after his first round of tariffs in his first trade war. Even when there is the hard data available and clear statements of red lines and what not to do, there is that in-built racist doubt that those numbers must be exaggerated and can't possibly be real, that they cannot possibly mean what they say when they say don't cross that line or that they will somehow back down.

I am reminded of Hitler vs the Soviet Union. He thought it would collapse easily and that its production numbers must have been exaggerated. Bad decision making as a result of his racist underestimation of others led to his downfall and Nazi Germany's downfall.
I can understand if its America doing it.

But who da fook is Lithuania and why do they think they are in a position to look down on others especially China? Lithuania is "country" that managed to get cucked by Poland for centuries ffs. Never mind the other guys like Russia.

Like where on earth does this delusion or entitlement come from? Why on earth does Lithuania get to think its the same as say the British empire when they are genetically different? No just having white skin alone doesn't make you one of them. Hitler himself didn't think so.
 
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